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Old 26-05-2019   #1
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Possible FCA merger...

I saw a news column today which said about FCA and Renault discussing a possible merger. What's people's thoughts on this?
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Re: Possible FCA merger...

Noooooooooooo!!!!

Please lets keep one interesting brand!
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I don't have a problem with Fiat merging with another company, as long as Fiats still look like Fiats. I'd much prefer they merged with Renault rather than ford, Peugeot or vw!

If they do merge with Renault, then this could lead to them developing a new supermini, which if done right, could be a godsend!
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Re: Possible FCA merger...

With Renault, which also includes Nissan of course, could throw up some interesting possibilities. Hopefully the good ones.

Relaibility and build quality of Nissan, with the design flair of Fiat might be a good improvement. Like the new 124 sport, which I think looks better than the bloaty MX5.

Hopefully we don't get flaky Renault electrics, or their sometimes odd engineering methods.

If they just badge engineer the current Clio/Micra there might be little point, or interest.

I wonder what's in it for Renault?
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I agree don't mind mind merging but as long as standards don't slip. I have not look in awhile but feel the fiat portfolio is very slim for any in 20's - mid 30s. Maybe it will be bring some new better style choices
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With Renault, which also includes Nissan of course, could throw up some interesting possibilities. Hopefully the good ones.

Relaibility and build quality of Nissan, with the design flair of Fiat might be a good improvement. Like the new 124 sport, which I think looks better than the bloaty MX5.

Hopefully we don't get flaky Renault electrics, or their sometimes odd engineering methods.

If they just badge engineer the current Clio/Micra there might be little point, or interest.

I wonder what's in it for Renault?
I wonder if it could gain Renault extra access to the American Market, as they'll be part of the same company as Jeep and Chrysler.

RenaultNissan could also gain access to the latest Fiat engines, as their 1.2 is also an old engine, and the latest emissions standards have ruined their 0.9 tce engine, from what I understand, so developing platforms with Fiat could see Renault using the latest Firefly engine range perhaps?
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Quote Originally Posted by puntofan01 View Post
I wonder if it could gain Renault extra access to the American Market, as they'll be part of the same company as Jeep and Chrysler.

RenaultNissan could also gain access to the latest Fiat engines, as their 1.2 is also an old engine, and the latest emissions standards have ruined their 0.9 tce engine, from what I understand, so developing platforms with Fiat could see Renault using the latest Firefly engine range perhaps?
They've replaced the old 0.9 and 1.2 with brand new 1.0/1.3 engines developed with Mercedes.
But maybe theses will be replaced by the Firefly engines, if they merge with FCA.
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When did that happen? Last I knew, the Twingo had 1.0 NA and 0.9 tce; and the Clio had the old 1.2 16v and 0.9 tce.
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I can see this being the final nail in the coffin for Nissan production in the UK.
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When did that happen? Last I knew, the Twingo had 1.0 NA and 0.9 tce; and the Clio had the old 1.2 16v and 0.9 tce.
The 1.3 tce came about a year ago I think and the 1.0 tce is new for 2019, as far as I can see.

Edit: Here's the press release for the 1.3 tce last year:
https://media.group.renault.com/glob...-gamme-renault
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I can see this being the final nail in the coffin for Nissan production in the UK.
Good thought. If we leave the EU, Nissan would appreciate another EU-based production plant in addition to the Renault ones.
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There was an interesting conversation on the radio early this morning. I came in when it was well under way so don't know who it was, and missed the earlier part of it. I did recognize John Humphrys voice. What was being said was that probably Nissan is the strongest commercially with a good range of product and modern tech. Both Fiat and Chrysler seem vulnerable with "old" tech at Fiat which might be able to benefit from Renault's input and Chrysler's fortunes being deeply buried in SUV and Pickup trucks which make good money in prosperous times but quickly fade when people curtail their spending. The opinion by the end of the piece was that it needed Nissan to really work but that, so far, Nissan seemed only luke warm, at best, about the idea.
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I wonder if it could gain Renault extra access to the American Market, as they'll be part of the same company as Jeep and Chrysler.
Full circle for Renault, they owned Jeep for a while in the 1980s, the result was the XJ Cherokee.

My 1989 "Jeep" Cherokee has the Renault 2.1 turbo diesel and is listed on the insurance papers as a "Renault Cherokee"
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When free piston generator engines start to happen we will see considerable changes in the auto industry as mechanically its so very simple.

These have an electric coil between two pistons that slide back and forth without a crankshaft or valves or even any serious lubrication needs. The coil between the pistons controls the stroke and supports the weight. The power it makes (re)charges the batteries so power to the wheels is entirely electrical.

The company that hits the market first will clean up. Fiat's new Panda with up to five batteries that can be added as needed is a great candidate for such clever tech.

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That is some banana of a system - I like the idea a lot. Never heard of it before so thanks for posting the link.
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