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Quote Originally Posted by RichardH13 View Post
The whole FCA Group need new models, I think the testing for the emissions regulations have pushed things back.

Panda replacement needed soon and then the 500.

Alfa need new models too
Its not just the emissions delay though.

Take the 'mx5' as an example.

That was supposed to be an Alfa.. got put back so long it became a FIAT..(sorry Abarth owners.)

The SUV thing I just don't get..

HUGE TYRES.BRAKES Etc.. when we are supposed to be 'going green'

If you used 2013 tech on a 1993 uno..
It would do 100 mpg and be quick.
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If you used 2013 tech on a 1993 Uno.
It would do 100 mpg and be quick.
But safety legislation (EU and elsewhere) will never allow that to happen. Cars have become bigger, fatter and heavier simply because they have to meet stringent passive safety rules. The latest Panda is getting panned for it's low NCAP rating yet (in it's time) the Mk2 Punto only just missed 5 stars because others had more air bags.

As for SUVs, most leave me cold, but the The Jeep Renegade has grown on me. It's built alongside the 500X so if the fat blobby cousin got dropped it would not be any great loss to Fiat or the buyers.
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The thing is, big cars arenít any safer when youíre in one and youíre hit by another big car. And theyíre heavier and harder to stop too. Itís all relative
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Re: The Future of FIAT

https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/f..._id186990.aspx

Fiat..as we know it

Well maybe... Abarth need a base model to 'breathe on..'
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The thing is, big cars aren’t any safer when you’re in one and you’re hit by another big car. And they’re heavier and harder to stop too. It’s all relative
It's all about crumple zones. Bigger = more space for a big strong cage with even more space for the crumple stuff. Put that lot into a Panda and you get a two seater in tandem.

Now compare a big old car to a new(er) small car.
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That horrified me when they broadcast that back in 2008. People reckon that they took the engine out of the Volvo, lol!
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Ive read several industry articles regarding the 2019 updates.

Not sure how far the panda will have got by xmas.. but the 500 's might even get to the uk by then.
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It's all about crumple zones. Bigger = more space for a big strong cage with even more space for the crumple stuff. Put that lot into a Panda and you get a two seater in tandem.

Now compare a big old car to a new(er) small car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emtLLvXrrFs
Interesting thing about that is how dainty and small what was a bloody great tank looked vs. a jacked up modern supermini!

(Whenever I take my Alfa 75 for a drive, it always looks tiny even compared with a Fiesta these days)
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That horrified me when they broadcast that back in 2008.
A 2004 Renault, versus a 1991 Volvo, that’s 13 years of development in safety...... how old is your grande now
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A 2004 Renault, versus a 1991 Volvo, thatís 13 years of development in safety...... how old is your grande now
Body structure wise, my Grande is no older than your Evo.

It is worth noting though, that the Volvo is based on a design launched in 1982. I don't know how much Volvo changed when they transformed the 700-series into the 900.
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Body structure wise, my Grande is no older than your Evo.

I don't know how much Volvo changed when they transformed the 700-series into the 900.
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Body structure wise, my Grande is no older than your Evo.

It is worth noting though, that the Volvo is based on a design launched in 1982. I don't know how much Volvo changed when they transformed the 700-series into the 900.
Structure wise the grande and evo are very similar, there are still difference. And the evo has more safety kit than the grande. But yes the 2017 punto with is essentially an evo, did score zero ncap stars... which was the point I was making, old cars (like your grande and the Volvo in the clip) perform terribly in accidents with new modern cars, as was proven and caused you to be shocked..

And you threw a right hissy fit about how unreliable and pointless ncap was after that zero star result!
How do you think a grande would fair these days against any new on the road model...?

The reason they chose the Volvo for this test was back in the 1990s Volvo where pretty much the only people striving for absolute safety in their cars. That Volvo was probably not just the safest car on the road in 1991 it was probably the safest car on the road into the early 2000s when they started taking safety seriously after NCap was properly established.

In the early days huge expensive brand new model cars were doing terribly on ncap tests, similar to what’s going on in China now with Chinese cars going from useless to rapidly improving in safety and technology.

Really NCap has only been around 20 years and the difference it made was astronomical.
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Re: The Future of FIAT

I would question how much the body structures have changed in the last 5-10 years.

The test has remained nearly static in that time, if it was a stable structure 10 years ago..it is now.

Dummy instrumentation and the scoring system has changed though, so things like no Assist systems or poor restraint systems now get you bad score.

The Volvo was pre-ncap the Renault was post ncap...and built to survive a crash test identical in the magnitude to the current test regime.

Not to say there haven't been improvements, but assuming it's going to drop to bits because it's an older design is not necessarily correct.

Also the 100 was a relic when tested..
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Maybe after Brexit the UK can initiate its own, more common sense and transparent testing scheme away from this silly Ďprotecting our biggest domestic car brands with false and manipulated claims to control the marketí that I personally suspect NCAP to be at... Since we donít really have any car makers other than niche luxury brands itíd be interesting to see an unbiased approach
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Structure wise the grande and evo are very similar, there are still difference. And the evo has more safety kit than the grande. But yes the 2017 punto with is essentially an evo, did score zero ncap stars... which was the point I was making, old cars (like your grande and the Volvo in the clip) perform terribly in accidents with new modern cars, as was proven and caused you to be shocked..

And you threw a right hissy fit about how unreliable and pointless ncap was after that zero star result!
How do you think a grande would fair these days against any new on the road model...?

The reason they chose the Volvo for this test was back in the 1990s Volvo where pretty much the only people striving for absolute safety in their cars. That Volvo was probably not just the safest car on the road in 1991 it was probably the safest car on the road into the early 2000s when they started taking safety seriously after NCap was properly established.

In the early days huge expensive brand new model cars were doing terribly on ncap tests, similar to whatís going on in China now with Chinese cars going from useless to rapidly improving in safety and technology.

Really NCap has only been around 20 years and the difference it made was astronomical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7IuBT7zUnA
As per what StevenRB45 said. The cars from the early-mid 00s haven't suddenly become deathtraps. Whilst they might not be quite as safe as they once were, they're still strong.

The issue I have with ncap these days is the reliance on fallible electronic guff. By all means, recommend that aeb is offered, but I feel it's wrong to severely criticise a car because it's not an option. Personally, I would not feel particularly safe knowing that a crisp packet blowing in front of the car could cause it to perform an emergency stop, especially on a dual carriageway/motorway. Quite frankly, I consider that to be dangerous, and would rather rely on my own abilities. Before you say it, I don't have that issue with ncap because of their most recent Fiat results, I don't agree with their current ways full stop.
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