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Re: The Future of FIAT

FIATCHRYSLER sold off Magneti Marelli this week.
That has been a constant through my time owning them..

Whatever happened to the 'FIREFLY' 3 cylinder motors.. were supposed to be sold in Europe by now..?
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FIATCHRYSLER sold off Magneti Marelli this week.

That has been a constant through my time owning them..



Whatever happened to the 'FIREFLY' 3 cylinder motors.. were supposed to be sold in Europe by now..?


Perhaps its on hold as they scramble to work on a more sustainable electric / hybrid power train for the next 5-10 years?

They seem to be Struggling to find a partner. Could they really do it in house with their resources?
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FIATCHRYSLER sold off Magneti Marelli this week.
That has been a constant through my time owning them..

Whatever happened to the 'FIREFLY' 3 cylinder motors.. were supposed to be sold in Europe by now..?
They are on sale but only in the 500x
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The future is looking very bleak for Fiat. I may have to move to Hyundai or Dacia for my next car.
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I'm an an interesting position right now in looking to replace two Fiats with one new car. I have two Fiat's from different ends of the product spectrum. A 124Spider and a Panda. I must say I am quite impressed with the 500X we have tried. Although it isn't as engaging a drive as the Seat Arona we have also tried - it is also far more configurable through packs and options - which are all pretty good value. The car also feels fresh and airy where the Seat feels dark and depressing. I was a bit concerned to read that the 3yr warranty is in fact 2yrs manufacturer warranty and 1yr dealership though. Plenty of dealers go under all the time - so what happens then?
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I suggest you call Fiat UK / CIAIO and ask them exactly this.

It is my understanding that (don't rely/quote me on this) "dealer" is to be read as any Fiat dealer but clearly your selling dealer should always normally be you first point of call.

Going back a few years there was a larger difference between what is covered under the "dealer 3rd year" compared to the manufacturer's 2 year warranty. These days the gap has narrowed.

On my 500X in my 3rd year I got a fully functioning fog lamp that just rattled badly replaced and also a not so sensitive to operate steering wheel switch replaced. The switch worked but took more pressure than the others. I suspect some other makes might have not replaced these items under warranty as technically they still functioned.
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I have no problem with increased security measures. Blocking security related functions like key programming, emergency start override, alarm settings etc. is one thing but blocking vehicle diagnostics, fault code resetting, parameter reading, actuator tests ....... is a completely different matter. Who owns the blinking car? You/me or Fiat?
the government?
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I suspect some other makes might have not replaced these items under warranty as technically they still functioned.
Speaking from experiance when Saab was still a thing they once gave me completely free labour on a burst brake pipe as I was a cherished customer for owning a old Saab, so a main dealer brake pipe replacement and service, with genuine parts came to a grand total of 38, with a loan car for the day while they did the work.

VW will literally replace anything under warranty right up to the last day of the 3rd year As will Mini.

Ford tend to be the same and getting stuff replaced under warranty is not too much of a big deal.

Other Korean companies do 7 year warranties. Vauxhall used to do 100,000 mile warranty (don't know if they still do)

Basically from experience, every dealership I have encountered has been better than fiat. Fiat essentially only do a 2 year warranty. The dealer foots the bill of the third year and if they don't do a good job they know you won't be back to buy another fiat at the end of year 3. Fiat dealers generally have a terrible attitude towards customers once out of warranty and there are plenty of posts on this forum to attest to that fact.
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Fiat dealerships being terrible.. based on fact.

Ford replacing everything.. for free..

Not according to most Ecoburst owners


My familys experience of KIA left an awful lot to be desired.
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YouTube has videos of a cute Fiat 600 Concept and a fantastic looking Nuovo 127 Concept. I was hoping that the 127 would become the replacement for the Punto. But now we learn that Fiat will be pulling out of the supermini sector. A strange strategy when they have always been so good at making small cars.

So, the Fiat line up will become just the Panda and 500. The Panda has the potential to evolve but where can you go with the 500s retro design ? Are we looking at beginning of the end of the Fiat brand, what a sad day that would be ?
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Re: The Future of FIAT

The Fiat GROUP used to be very large. Probably still is and the loss of Magneti Marelli is not going to hurt them much. Today Fiat use Bosch, Desno, TRW and other suppliers.

Given that VW, BMW, Mercedes are going to most probably opt for BOSCH and other German supplies then the market for MM is ever diminishing. Whoever bought/gets MM will probably restructure an focus on niche products and ditch trying to compete with the likes of Bosch.

I Fiat Group terms the automotive parts were just a small part of the groups total revenue. Not checked in recent years but suspect automotive revenue is still a small part of the groups overall business.
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I feel like if Fiat doesnt respond in the next year with a dramatically improved Panda / 500 concept at least ... its certainly done in the UK market. Nobody has really taken too well to the other models and with the recent press and our world leading poor news and media outlets milking the Pandas new found zero star safety un-ignorable.
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Perhaps its on hold as they scramble to work on a more sustainable electric / hybrid power train for the next 5-10 years?

They seem to be Struggling to find a partner. Could they really do it in house with their resources?
The talk of an hybrid panda. Using Marelli kit.
Seems to throw what was 'common knowledge' on its head.
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Fiat needs new cars. My friend has put money down for a Jimny, unseen or driven. He just loves it. There is a waiting list everywhere they sell the things and the reviews are all positive, notwithstanding the obvious compromises resulting from the engineering needed for a tiny proper 4x4. Nothing else compares.

He looked at Fiats but there is nothing. All the other cars on sale are just as bland as washing machines.
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The whole FCA Group need new models, I think the testing for the emissions regulations have pushed things back.

Panda replacement needed soon and then the 500.

Alfa need new models too
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