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Old 15-06-2017   #16
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Re: Want to get a new toy, but not sure what...

If it has to be Italian, small & light, tuneable, cheap and a four-seater, i think your choice is limited to:
127 with a brasil-engine (1049 or 1301)
128 (probably rusty)
Ritmo (also rusty, but with the same lovely Lampredi-sohc, and lighter than you would expect)
The obvious cinq/sei (feels really small)
Alfa 33, of course.

126, 133 and punto seem less suitable to fullfill your needs within a limited budget.

Since you have an obvious weak spot for the
33, do not torture yourself anylonger and go for 1 of these delicate racers.
(My Brother had 2, 1 was a joy, the other was more in the workshop than out of it, seriously!)
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Re: Want to get a new toy, but not sure what...

(Or do like i did: buy an air-cooled Ducati 2-valve: small, light, easy to work on, a choice of carbs or efi, superb handling, no power steering, not overpowered though hugely over-torqued, suitable for mild hobby-tuning, and SURE to put a VERY BIG SMILE on your face, time and time again).
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Re: Want to get a new toy, but not sure what...

Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post
I'm still very very tempted by an Alfa 33.

I was going to suggest...
the car you already have.. - a rare sight in the UK now 145/ 146

how are they..??
Mine is the 1929 turbo diesel, with front brakes and wheels from a Quadrifoglio Verde (all other suspension and drivetrain components are identical TD/QV with the exception of springs, QV is lower and stiffer)

In a word, heavy, a bit heavier than the Tipo they're based on and around 300kg more than the 33. In essence, it's not a small car, but a small big car, the long wheelbase is quite apparent when you park next to something of similar size.

It's not a particularly quick car, not by modern standards anyway, though 190 Nm of torque can surprise some, but what really stands out is the roadholding. The 145 is a car with a lot of grip and cornering speeds can be high.

There is a section of road on my daily commute that would make a very respectable hill climb (in fact, the same road at the other end of the valley is used as such), the 145, driven without pushing the engine, easily pulls away from other cars simply by not having to slow for the corners. If I push it (something I avoid in summer heat), I can achieve 90km/h by the top where the road straightens out into a long left hander, but that's the limit of the engine, there isn't any more power available (approaching redline in 3rd, not enough power in 4th), it's also the speed limit

Normally I just enjoy myself by taking the corners fast, whilst keeping withing the white lines, something that is apparently rather difficult (a pet hate of mine).

So there you go, I'd describe the 145 as heavy and "big" for it's apparent size, with excellent roadholding, but not really nimble or quick.

I have a "quick-rack" steering box available, so I might try fitting that next time I rebuild the front end.

I actually have a Quadrifoglio Verde with a blown engine that I've been stripping for parts, sadly not worth rebuilding as it's paperwork has skipped an owner, something that happens all to often in France (especially powerful cars) and means that the car can only really be scrapped (would cost at least 800 to sort the paperwork out and only if the last "legal" owner can be contacted).

If I were ever to find a QV with a broken cambelt, I'd jump on it, but most of the ones left in France are 1.4s.

There aren't many of them left, around 35 (all engine types) for sale in France today, making them nearly as rare as the 33 (25 for sale today).

So yes, I've pretty much made up my mind to go for a 33, but thank you all for the suggestions, I'll certainly keep them in mind, just in case anything should pop up.

Make no mistake, I'm keeping the 145 for my commute, with only 200,000km on the clock it's got a few years left yet.

And yes, I have scared myself driving GF's Panda 169, becoming aware mid-corner which car I'm driving, though she doesn't seem to notice...

Finally, to misquote Orwell's sheep, "four wheels good, two wheels baaad"
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Old 19-06-2017   #19
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Re: Want to get a new toy, but not sure what...

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Make no mistake, I'm keeping the 145 for my commute, with only 200,000km on the clock it's got a few years left yet.

And yes, I have scared myself driving GF's Panda 169, becoming aware mid-corner which car I'm driving, though she doesn't seem to notice...

Finally, to misquote Orwell's sheep, "four wheels good, two wheels baaad"
thanks for that..!!

my old 1929 did [approx. 500K Kms,
the majority of those AFTER an accident damaged the oil laden cooler hose - did @150 Kms towing in august with no oil circulating..

bullet proof old tech motors.

that was a 1989 /90 - my later mk2 had the BIGGER turbo - went well
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Re: Want to get a new toy, but not sure what...

Well, something came up locally and given the price, I really couldn't say no.

So, in the end I've got myself a car that wasn't on the list, but will fill the primary role of "something cheap to practice on so I don't break her Panda".


It's a Uno 45 FIRE.

No power steering, no electronics, no electric windows and, erm... no brakes!

Well, it turns out the brakes are actually present, they just require written notification of the intention to stop, at which point, they'll think about it. Fast pumping gives brakes, but the pedal will sink to the floor if kept applied, guessing seals in master cylinder are shot, new part is less than 20€.

To complete the driving experience, the gear linkage, as the previous owner proudly demonstrated, is mostly composed of cable ties and there is no passenger mirror (normal on French market cars pre-90's).

Vacuum on the delco is a bit suspect, but once warmed up it idles fine and goes like manure from a muck-slinging implement (for 700kg values of muck and a 45BHP implement anyways).

Not found any rust other than on the tailgate, though I haven't done more than feel the rear sills.

Engine is more "OIL" than "FIRE", few oil seals to replace there. I wonder if it'll fit in the parts washer at work...


And how much did I pay for this little Guigiaro-designed marvel of 1980s Italian technology?

100€

That's about 80 quid.

For a car that needs about 50€ of parts and a few hours from a sympathetic mechanic. It failed it's CT (MOT) on both front indicators being broken, a rear light earthing problem and the obvious brakes.

A car that could give someone basic transport for many more years.

It had to be saved.
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Quote Originally Posted by Steve145 View Post
Well, something came up locally and given the price, I really couldn't say no.

So, in the end I've got myself a car that wasn't on the list, but will fill the primary role of "something cheap to practice on so I don't break her Panda".


It's a Uno 45 FIRE.

No power steering, no electronics, no electric windows and, erm... no brakes!

Well, it turns out the brakes are actually present, they just require written notification of the intention to stop, at which point, they'll think about it. Fast pumping gives brakes, but the pedal will sink to the floor if kept applied, guessing seals in master cylinder are shot, new part is less than 20.

To complete the driving experience, the gear linkage, as the previous owner proudly demonstrated, is mostly composed of cable ties and there is no passenger mirror (normal on French market cars pre-90's).

Vacuum on the delco is a bit suspect, but once warmed up it idles fine and goes like manure from a muck-slinging implement (for 700kg values of muck and a 45BHP implement anyways).

Not found any rust other than on the tailgate, though I haven't done more than feel the rear sills.

Engine is more "OIL" than "FIRE", few oil seals to replace there. I wonder if it'll fit in the parts washer at work...


And how much did I pay for this little Guigiaro-designed marvel of 1980s Italian technology?

100

That's about 80 quid.

For a car that needs about 50 of parts and a few hours from a sympathetic mechanic. It failed it's CT (MOT) on both front indicators being broken, a rear light earthing problem and the obvious brakes.

A car that could give someone basic transport for many more years.

It had to be saved.
Nice find.. the mk1s are now pretty rare in the uk.. so until the pics I presumed it was a mk2

I liked the uno.. better than the panda to drive..

Has an 1100 selecta..CVT auto from 21,000 miles.. fun car

Then several 1100 mk2s in 2 door 5 speed manual guise..again nice cars.

But they are generally scabby and rotten now.. so Ive moved on..

Can you do a Members Motors for it please...


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Re: Want to get a new toy, but not sure what...

It'll be interesting to see what you make of the switchgear 'flippers'...
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