Its because of people like s130 that others do things like that. Its human nature to thumb the nose at purists, I know I do/will
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This was always going to be an emotive subject, but there is simply no need for swearing or personal insults.
There have been some interesting and detailed responses from some, which is what Im sure homeward was after when starting this thread.
The thread has now been cleaned up. Please continue to express your opinions on the matter, but remember that its much better to put your point across in a clear an concise manner without resorting to insults/ swearing.
Alan
This was always going to be an emotive subject, but there is simply no need for swearing or personal insults.
There have been some interesting and detailed responses from some, which is what Im sure homeward was after when starting this thread.
The thread has now been cleaned up. Please continue to express your opinions on the matter, but remember that its much better to put your point across in a clear an concise manner without resorting to insults/ swearing.
Alan
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1hp -- just slightly less than my 750L.... 
1hp -- just slightly less than my 750L....
Speed/power means nothing,
you see's more when you is driving slow'er you shouid have a drive of a Moggy minor,
the pand'a will feel like a highperformance vehicle afterward's.
It would appear that someone complained about my sarcasm and i received a warning from a 'moderator'.
Thanks for all the banter as i won't be back again.
Thanks for all the banter as i won't be back again.
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Ashame really but you only brought it on yourself with your excessive profanity. Not quite sure what else you expected; I have read the warning and PM sent to you and it was very courteous and polite :shrug:
Never nice to see a member go though.
I never saw the expletives - but why can't people just express an opinion in non-emotive language, and that get the respect it deserves? Disagree by all means- but politely.
I think, re Nick's (s130) posting, he expected to be "flamed" as he put it. What he said is largely correct though- the price of some "genuine Abarth" badges are now high- there's a grille badge on ebay which hasn't sold after several times round at £100. It's supply and demand- obviously nobody NEEDS that badge right now,but may do so later. It IS a pity that many were trashed, or misused,and I'm supposing that somebody else will say the same in a quarter-century time re EsseEsse badges et al- but, nobody knew then that they might become rare/valuable.
The car manufacturers' policy of 10years parts availability doesn't help, and FIAT are reputed to have actually trashed/crushed brand new Abarth spares in the past- but then, they don't want us loving 30 years,and older ,cars,they want us buying new Abarth GPs etc. The same might be said of, for example, the now-rare original Strada 130TC side wind deflectors- how many cars went to the scrappie with those attached?- I suppose there are "must-have" bits on most classics.
Hindsight is great- but it's impossible to keep a whole second set of everything for a car,unless you can be sure it will become a future classic. I applaud Palio for the foresight in getting a spare badge set- I just hope your car DOES become a rare future classic, to warrant the time and effort. There's a fair chance I guess..............
I'm none too keen on "scout's" response though- it seems rather extreme to cock a snook at someone like Nick, who has nurtured a wonderful car for 26 years and maintained it's originality- alas, mine long ago lost the originality, so now I try to make it unique and very much "of it's time" (80s)- and incidentally, he helps other likemindeds with a website of parts fiches etc. I only hope that it was a flippant remark?- not really helpful!
One thing is for sure- a few Abarth logos on a base car won't make it a future classic, just detract rather from the originality, much prized in later life of such cars.
So, to those referred to by homeward in the O.P- get the original badges back on, preserve the originality- it might be worth something one day ( unless, like most FIATs, it rusts away!)
I think, re Nick's (s130) posting, he expected to be "flamed" as he put it. What he said is largely correct though- the price of some "genuine Abarth" badges are now high- there's a grille badge on ebay which hasn't sold after several times round at £100. It's supply and demand- obviously nobody NEEDS that badge right now,but may do so later. It IS a pity that many were trashed, or misused,and I'm supposing that somebody else will say the same in a quarter-century time re EsseEsse badges et al- but, nobody knew then that they might become rare/valuable.
The car manufacturers' policy of 10years parts availability doesn't help, and FIAT are reputed to have actually trashed/crushed brand new Abarth spares in the past- but then, they don't want us loving 30 years,and older ,cars,they want us buying new Abarth GPs etc. The same might be said of, for example, the now-rare original Strada 130TC side wind deflectors- how many cars went to the scrappie with those attached?- I suppose there are "must-have" bits on most classics.
Hindsight is great- but it's impossible to keep a whole second set of everything for a car,unless you can be sure it will become a future classic. I applaud Palio for the foresight in getting a spare badge set- I just hope your car DOES become a rare future classic, to warrant the time and effort. There's a fair chance I guess..............
I'm none too keen on "scout's" response though- it seems rather extreme to cock a snook at someone like Nick, who has nurtured a wonderful car for 26 years and maintained it's originality- alas, mine long ago lost the originality, so now I try to make it unique and very much "of it's time" (80s)- and incidentally, he helps other likemindeds with a website of parts fiches etc. I only hope that it was a flippant remark?- not really helpful!
One thing is for sure- a few Abarth logos on a base car won't make it a future classic, just detract rather from the originality, much prized in later life of such cars.
So, to those referred to by homeward in the O.P- get the original badges back on, preserve the originality- it might be worth something one day ( unless, like most FIATs, it rusts away!)
It's not s130 time and effort that I 'cock a snook at' but his attitude of "You must keep your spares until a 'genuine' owner wants to use it". That unfortunately is farcical.
Personally I'd never badge a car as something it's not, in fact I tend to de-badge my motors as I prefer the clean look (Not done it to the Panda - yet
) and don't understand people that do rebadge as those in the know just laugh at them but I suppose its the desire to have something different.I wonder if the people that put abarth badges on their vehicles realise it can increase their insurance premiums as it makes it more desirable to steal?
The closest I came to re-branding my car was when I put a 1.3L badged tailgate on my 3.0S Capri (rusty tailgate). That was good for laughs at the traffic light grand prix. It stayed like that until I had the time to sort it properly.
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They're wanna be's tbh, thats all.
I just decided to go and get the real thing, so bought myself a Prius.
I think a hybrid synergy drive badge on the boot of a Fiat would have been almost as silly as an Abarth badge
My Panda gets better mileage than my company car Pre-arse ever did.
I was out and about in Peterborough and we'd found a box of "Type-R" badges. As Peterborough's night life was so involving at the time we spent the rest of the evening sticking badges on the back of everything we could; including a double decker bus, fire engine and a Police riot van.
Happy daze.
I suspect half haven't even mentioned it to their insurance company, along with most of their other modifications :bang:
As J Clarkson, esq. once said: Ferrari only make cars to shift expensive polo shirts and baseball caps to gullible fools (or something to that effect...).
Wasn't it Clarkson that bought a Ferrari/Maserati or whatever, on Top Gear and thought he had got the SS version, only to find it was standard with an SS badge on the back?
With regard to Abarth badges, I believe that it is each to their own. Since time immemorial there have always been people attempting to upgrade their cars. Think, mini-cooper, Escort Mexico and Lotus Cortinas. If I had spent a fortune on say, an Abarth exhaust, Cylinder Head, Carburettor etc to fit my standard model, then I would probably like to advertise the fact with a sticker on the back. It's no different to putting a K&N sticker or a Pirelli sticker in the back window, in my humble opinion.
Just to confuse matters
There is a Seicento around the corner from me with a big sticker on the back saying "Powered by Fairy Dust" Does that breach some trade description act or moral standards?
Just to confuse matters
That's just a lapse in taste.
your right it is a shame as i really like this forum and the characters on it and I've got a lot of useful help and advice so i'll apologize to all concerned and come back with my tail between my legs and a promise to stay out of emotive discussions from now on...
I will be keeping the Abarth badges on though..
Thanks. Not really too worried whether it becomes collectible, though I guess it must do eventually (there were only 65 black AGP's registered in 2009, and I doubt many EsseEsse versions out of those). I'm more concerned that I have access to new badges should it need a respray in 20 years time - and yes I'm hoping both me and the car will still be here in 20 years!
This is borne out of my own experience with cars I've kept (nothing to do with the price or otherwise of 130TC badges). Unfortunately at the time things are plentiful you don't consider needing them in the future, or whether they will still be there! Who would have thought a Classic Panda 4x4 petrol tank would be so impossible to find & have numerous people scouring the world for them for years - and no, none have turned up! :shrug:
I did say one has every right to buy what you like to unless you are otherwise restricted.
You can buy after market (non original OEM) badges (I have many Abarth badges acquired over 20+ years every time I go to Italy.
What I'm upset at is that so many genuine, no longer available vehicle specific Abarth, Fiat Abarth, etc. badges got consumed an binned.
My caravan has an Italian aftermarket 3D Abarth Badge on the back. A tasty tongue in cheek "personalisation" from when it was towed by my Stilo Abarth.
I could have used genuine Fiat Abarth badges but I didn't with respect to those who have genuine Fiat Abarths.
Maybe I'm a little bitter that I see genuine Strada Abarths that can't even have their rightful badges.
By raising my head, ready to be flamed, I was/am hoping that people will consider the knock-on effects of unnecessary consumption of valuable badges.
I've already supported "personalisation", have done myself, but not at the expense people with a more, what I would call rightful/legitimate, claim to these rare badges.
I hope this clarifies where I am coming from, why I am doing so, and in no way am I saying you can't personalise your car with RS Cosworth, RS Mexico, 1600 Rally badges but please don't use the original articles unless you poses said vehicle.
Nick
I understand your frustration but, and it's a big but, we live in an economy where cash is king and so your desires are unrealistic. Someone is not going to sell you a badge for £5 when Chav boy racer will give him £50.
Well summed up from a different angle. Thankfully I have a very limited personal supply of Abarth / Fiat Abarth badges which are not, nor will ever be for sale (bearing in mind our 130TC will be donated to a museum and we'll ensure until then that she'll be as 100% complete and original as we can keep her).
And yes market forces will prevail but why a Chav would want to pay £50+ pounds for a genuine article when there are far cheaper near replica specimens that 90%+ of the population would never ever recognise the difference is also rather odd.
Ho, hum.
Nick
It's like adding go faster stripes to your motor, the abarth badge just makes your car quicker...
