Fiat must develop better engines

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Fiat must develop better engines

Gets on my nerve's when people say how great VW are twin charging an engine. Was Lancia's brilliant idea but when put people right they just stare at you blankly :mad:

Fiat put Euro 5 engines in the 500, years ahead of regulations. Cant really fault their technology

My work van is a VW caddy on an 09 plate and it has no intercooler and mechanical fuel injection. VW are crap! they dont lead they follow but for some reason people love to pay over the odd's for low spec cars :confused:
VW is the only company i know that listed the early 2000's golf gti roof spoiler as an "optional extra"
And this is written by a ex VW man, club GTi membership held for 6years and i got sick of them.
 
My work van is a VW caddy on an 09 plate and it has no intercooler and mechanical fuel injection. VW are crap! they dont lead they follow but for some reason people love to pay over the odd's for low spec cars :confused:
VW is the only company i know that listed the early 2000's golf gti roof spoiler as an "optional extra"
And this is written by a ex VW man, club GTi membership held for 6years and i got sick of them.

Of course you're absolutely correct, everyone who knows anything about cars will testify that FIATs are far better made than VWs and last much longer, the number of 20+ years old FIATs that you see on the road on a regular basis are a testament to this:rolleyes:
 
And this is Italian Scotch Mist, I suppose? The 037 was as much a road car as the Quattros it was racing against, much less a road car than the road going Quattros Audi were churning out.

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The 037 was a homologation special, around 200 were made purely to comply with regulations, that hardly qualifies it as a proper production car when compared to the thousands of Quattros produced.
 
Of course you're absolutely correct, everyone who knows anything about cars will testify that FIATs are far better made than VWs and last much longer, the number of 20+ years old FIATs that you see on the road on a regular basis are a testament to this:rolleyes:

I see a 24 year old and a 19 year fiat every day. Been months since I last saw a VW that old.
 
I see a 24 year old and a 19 year fiat every day. Been months since I last saw a VW that old.

What a coincidence I see a 26 year old Golf every day, and every month I see between 10 and 20 of them:D
 
The 037 was a homologation special, around 200 were made purely to comply with regulations, that hardly qualifies it as a proper production car when compared to the thousands of Quattros produced.

But the Quattros Audi were racing were nothing like the road cars. That's to say, by your standards, they were not "proper" road cars. They too, were homologation specials, even if they looked like bricks on wheels.

Even if this were not the case, little old Lancia took on the industrial might of the Audis (assisted by Porsche, let's not forget) in a car which should have been inferior, and beat them fair and square.
 
actually il agree with you on the clutch foot. in my (now my brothers( grande, it hada foot rest which was lovely, but there just isn't anywhere in the bravo. i cant really comment on the focus, as i havent test drove or been in one!
I agree with you, kind of regarding being in a circle, however in europe, especially italy whcih probably isnt a surprise, fiat, alfa and lancia are very popular, so youd think they would make money there. you right about people not considering a bravo, when i was buying mine, i was talkign to the dealer, and he was saying that unless you know about fiats, or there is a bravo going cheap, people just dont buy them. however, as bad as this might sound, i hope it stays like that, it will keep prices down, and as i dont really see many bravos around, it probably sounds silly, but it makes me quite proud to won one.
reliability il have to disagree with you, my grande 1.3 has done 71k miles in its 2 1/2 year life, and its started every morning, no problems, even middle of last december, when all i had in the tank was pure bio-diesel! however warranty i will agree, as in the last 5k miles, since its been out of warranty, her gearbox is on the way out, the engine cover has cracked, and the screws holding it onto the engine block have avctually snapped off in the block. there are a few issues arising. the engine itself however i cant fault at all.
Sorry, I wasn't faulting Fiat's reliability (though my Panda did require a new steering column at about 30K!) but peoples perception of the brand as being crap. Until Fiat tackle that head on then I dont see things getting any better for the brand.

Regarding Fiats popularity in Italy you would expect that. The number of Citroens for example in France would be higher than in other countries but that doesnt mean they are any good ;). You also need to bear in mind that Fiats are often also available with heavy discounts so price becomes a factor over brand (which doesnt help the quality image either - its cheap so it must be crap). I have never been to Italy unfortunately but I have heard there are a lot of Pandas there. Problem is there couldnt be as much markup on a Panda as say a Bravo or Alfa, but again brand perception becomes an issue. If you have the cash and all other things being equal are you going to buy a VW (or Skoda/Seat) or a Fiat? Some people (probably wrongly so) see Fiat as being a risky choice, but with modern production processes reliability across modern car brands is far more consistent than in the past. If anything you would think the time tested and improved Fire design should be more reliable than much newer unproven designs.
 
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