Register Login
Save up to 15% with Adrian Flux insurance!
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-06-2009   #1
Banned
Join Date: May 2005
Location: On da way 2 a new mission
Posts: 3,615
Thanks: 69
Trader Rating: 0
Oldschool has donated!
United Kingdom 
Fiat declining warranty claims

After speaking to some of the lads at Stanford Hall it became clear that what a number of people suspected actually seems to be happening.

Quite a few claims are refused because supposedly the engine has been over-revved so often.

As this is a very serious topic: Please refrain from spamming.

If a pattern can be established steps will be taken to bring this to the public attention. This can only be done when we have all the facts and not just speculation and hear-say.

Currently I help Red Dot to overturn the claim refusal on grounds I would call at least dodgy if not fraudulent.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Oldschool is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #2
zombie nation
 
Hellcat's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: on the A684
Posts: 18,410
Thanks: 237
Blog Entries: 11
Trader Rating: 3
Hellcat has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Is there a set number/magnitude of over-revs which would come to a warranty refusal situation?

Once in 10,000 miles? twice?

Without publicly presented figures how can Fiat claim their stance?
__________________
Drives: Fiat Multipla Eleganza , Owns: Alfa Romeo 159 2.4JTDm
Hellcat is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #3
Ulpian
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: My flat mostly
Posts: 3,581
Thanks: 133
Trader Rating: 0
Ulpian has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

If there is a rev limiter how can an engine be over-revved? Also, does the computer differentiate between temperatures: I mean 'over-revving' a cold engine?

I will leave this alone now as I have no real expertise.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Ulpian is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #4
Telford's Own...
 
Ffoxy's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 9,824
Thanks: 373
Trader Rating: 0
Ffoxy has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Quote Originally Posted by Ulpian View Post
If there is a rev limiter how can an engine be over-revved? Also, does the computer differentiate between temperatures: I mean 'over-revving' a cold engine?

I will leave this alone now as I have no real expertise.
Not a good idea to bounce an engine on any rev-limiter unless you are a Rally or Grand Prix driver TBH but an engine can be over-revved on a downshift irrespective of any re-limiter, I.E. changing down to too low a gear ratio at too high a roadspeed.
__________________
Ex Suzuki SV1000S jockey, now a former 1.9 MJet Grande Punto Sporting pilot curently driving a Hyundai i30 1.6 Premium.
Ffoxy is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #5
zombie nation
 
Hellcat's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: on the A684
Posts: 18,410
Thanks: 237
Blog Entries: 11
Trader Rating: 3
Hellcat has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Usual one is going for 5th and getting 3rd. Who can say they've NEVER done that - automatic drivers not included!

I've got 4th instead of 6th before, and partially depressed the clutch but revs probably didn't get over the limiter... but I'd hate to have a warranty claim invalidated just because of that one incident.
__________________
Drives: Fiat Multipla Eleganza , Owns: Alfa Romeo 159 2.4JTDm
Hellcat is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #6
GPS Multijet 1.9 Orange
 
mehstg's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: North London
Posts: 1,516
Thanks: 66
Trader Rating: 0
mehstg has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

I can comfortably say I have never overrevved the GP, but who knows whether the previous owner did. Would be well pissed off if a warranty claim was refused due to it.

P
__________________

Do Not Click Here
Quote Originally Posted by Vimto Rolf View Post
i play 12 string ass mostly anyhow.
Quote Originally Posted by punto_matt View Post
It was always obvious you swung that way but kudos for finally admitting it
mehstg is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #7
Top Dog
 
Tris Harris's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Leeds/Whitley
Posts: 6,864
Thanks: 325
Blog Entries: 3
Trader Rating: 1
Tris Harris has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Technically (and i wouldnt do it myself personally), it should be safe to bounce off the limiter, without damaging the engine/ gearbox as the rev limiter has been set at whatever limit as going any further than this would be over- revving and may cause damage to said components...

now on a down change it is possible of course, and you may find the wrong gear sometimes- its bound to happen! However, as discussed at Stanford, there is no way that people are doing this 251 times which i believe is the amount that the ECU can log at once... and how many times FIAT are claiming that most of the rejected warranty claims have been doing!
__________________
Tris Harris is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #8
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 27,676
Thanks: 1226
Blog Entries: 3
Trader Rating: 5
fingers99 has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Oldschool -- maybe you could say exactly what you need?

There's already one thread open for general chit-chat on the subject............
__________________
M12 fund 20
fingers99 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-06-2009   #9
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 426
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

i read about this topic prior to buying my car...

and i questioned it with the Fiat dealer i was buying it from and they didnt ave a clue about over revving it.. or about it invalidating the warrenty..

is there any way of getting it checked by the dealer to see if its been over revved to start with so you can get it in written confirmation what the car has been over revved by from when you bought it so that any more on top of that would prove it was ur self that actually over revved it..

that way people would stil be able to claim on warrenty...

i think this is just a massive excuse for Fiat not to pay out for any warrenty claims which personally i think is shocking coming from a massive company..
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

craig20102010 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-06-2009   #10
Banned
Join Date: May 2005
Location: On da way 2 a new mission
Posts: 3,615
Thanks: 69
Trader Rating: 0
Oldschool has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Quote Originally Posted by fingers99 View Post
Oldschool -- maybe you could say exactly what you need?

There's already one thread open for general chit-chat on the subject............

This is not meant to be a thread with the intention of chit-chat. To the understanding I have and some other people we are dealing with fraudulent claims of Fiat UK calim inspectors.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Oldschool is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-06-2009   #11
bairns, not bombs.
 
Venters's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hades by the River Styx
Posts: 8,701
Thanks: 377
Trader Rating: 0
Venters has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Quote Originally Posted by Oldschool View Post
This is not meant to be a thread with the intention of chit-chat. To the understanding I have and some other people we are dealing with fraudulent claims of Fiat UK calim inspectors.
So is the claim that Fiat inspectors are making up numbers?
__________________
Venters is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-06-2009   #12
arc
this is where i stand
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Manchester
Posts: 13,581
Thanks: 289
Trader Rating: 0
arc has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

there was a thread on here discussing an individual case, is that in the GP section - i can't find it now.

i wonder how many people have had warranty claims after damage arrising from remaps and the like.
__________________
.:: 1368cc 16v Cinquecento ::.
arc is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-06-2009   #13
Banned
 
punto_matt's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 14,565
Thanks: 713
Trader Rating: 0
punto_matt has donated!
Western Samoa 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

From the GP section what has been happening when gearboxes fail Fiat have come back on nearly every occasion and said that the box is not covered due to the ECU logging 251 over revs which in validates the box warrenty. Now if it was 1 or 2 times that this had been brought up then fair enough but with it happening on every box that goes it is slightly suspicious no? I think one person in the GP section who was a driving instructor went through 3 gearboxes and Fiat said each time it had been over revved 251 times so it was not covered yet they could give no information on what an over rev was or when it occured, all they could say was that it happened 251 times.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

punto_matt is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-06-2009   #14
bairns, not bombs.
 
Venters's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hades by the River Styx
Posts: 8,701
Thanks: 377
Trader Rating: 0
Venters has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

So is it
Fiat inspectors that are being claimed to be inventing numbers regarding over revs?
__________________
Venters is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-06-2009   #15
Banned
 
punto_matt's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 14,565
Thanks: 713
Trader Rating: 0
punto_matt has donated!
Western Samoa 
Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Yup, always the same reason is given for the box going. Down to over revs.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

punto_matt is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(G) Who's Had No Warranty Claims doctorchris Panda 7 07-04-2008 22:27
(G) Fiat claims ordes 6000 for 500 within a few hours of launch Ms_Cinq 500 51 25-02-2008 11:09
3rd year warranty claims. viggers Lets Talk FIAT 3 12-10-2007 18:33
warranty claims after independant servicing sparkybaz Lets Talk FIAT 4 24-08-2007 14:34
(G) 3rd year warranty claims michael2208 Stilo 11 23-09-2006 22:27