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Old 11-06-2009   #16
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Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Is this over-rev something that people could have checked easily? Sounds like a software bug rather than a real error.

I'm quite used to dealing with spurious error messages. Servers who think they have failed disks, or are overheating, or have no power... Usually a fault with the fault checking!
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Is it possible that the ECU rev limiter logger is faulty?
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Re: Fiat declining warranty claims

Well its either faulty or Fiat are purposfully using it to get out of warrenty claims.
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Is it possible that the ECU rev limiter logger is faulty?
No. It would appear Fiat are inventing numbers to get out of warranty claims.
If it was a technical fault then using terms like fraud would be wrong.
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251 rev limits is high. I've been driving my car for 5 years and for 70,000 miles and I haven't hit the limiter anywhere near that many times. I've mellowed now, but I used to rev the nuts off the car, and at 127,000 miles the only major engine work required was a head gasket at 100,000 miles, so I should expect more durability from a modern engine, and that 'over-revving' is a poor excuse to weasel out of warranty claims.
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It is nothing to do with redlining, or abusing the engine though. It is to do with the gearbox, as has been said elsewhere - it is miss-shifting that causes it. Sticking it into 3rd instead of 5th, forcing the engine past it's limit. BUT this is going to cause issue with the engine, not the box. Anyone that is currently experiencing this with issue with FIAT should ask them for 100% clarification on what exactly the issue is, what is meant to have caused it and what damage has been done to the box as a result.

Reading the thread about the driving instructor cars, they all seem to be fitted with 17" wheels on the 1.4's. Wasn't there a know issue on here with diff failures when fitting 17" wheels onto the 1.2 GP's? If FIAT are now fitting 17"'s as standard on the 1.4s, and using the same box and shafts as the 1.2 then surely they've flamingo'd up here.

It is also worth looking at what people who work at dealerships have posted on the issue;

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So to recap, you have had three gearbox failures in two seperate cars (not including the last one being towed to garage. There seems to be two common denominators here, Fiat, of which there are millions driving around with no gearbox problems, and the drivers.
We as a dealer are not fitting gearboxes regularly, last gearbox we fitted was in a 147 a year ago, before that we did a stilo 1.6 about two years ago. I would be slightly suspicious if one customer had three failures on two seperate vehicles. Good luck with any claim you have against Fiat, sorry I cant give you any info that could help.
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Must admit, never had gearbox problem on a GP before.
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The 1.4 was a 16v, Hardly any boxes go on the Gp 16v. Its more the 1.2s that have it happen to them. In the end Fiat paid out for the 3rd box though i think? Cant remember in the end but they were being threatened with legal action over it from the owner iirc.
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The 1.4 was a 16v, Hardly any boxes go on the Gp 16v. Its more the 1.2s that have it happen to them. In the end Fiat paid out for the 3rd box though i think? Cant remember in the end but they were being threatened with legal action over it from the owner iirc.
T told me in another Thread that he doesnt see hardly any gearbox issues on any GP, from memory its nearly always the 1.2 guys, probably wringing the 1.2's neck to extract every 0.02Bhp out of the little engine they can, brings us nicely back to over-revs dont it....
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ok, but the 8v and 16v is just the engine - not the box. If there was a recognised fault with the boxes used on the 1.2 8v's and that box is now on the 1.4 16v then it is a problem. The boxes are interchangeable, my cinquecento still has the box from the 1108 8v engine that it came with, and at 15 years old and 127k depsite the abuse it gets, still works nicely (though the synchro on 3rd is going).
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The box is different on the 16v. 1.2 & 1.4 8v is a 5 speed the 16v is a 6 speed.
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ok. what about the diff?
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I do not know about that.
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this is why we need to know what the failure actually is, is it the box, or is it the dif? No amount of speculation on a forum can answer that, need to see someones car who's bust!
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From what i have read it is usually the Box that goes.
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but who is it who is saying that, the diff is semi-integral into the box - the diff casing forms part of the box casing. It's easy for someone who doesn't know exactly what they're looking at to just say it's the box when it is infact the diff.
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