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Re: Today's deal between FIAT and Chrysler

How often do you think cambelts go? I rarely hear of them going on Fiats and the ones that do are normally down to poor maintenance, the same with water pumps. Bushes normally go because of the UK crap roads which wont really be an issue on the yanks flat roads, wiper mechanisms only really went on mk2 puntos, iffy paintwork?

You can get any car that will have stuff fail on it. Fiat imo are one of the more reliable out there compared to some of there competitors as much as it may suprise some people.
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There are some shockingly broken roads in America, in fact this is a national concern. In the mid-west there are miles of graded roads without any tarmac at all, and the salt used in winter is astronomical.

As for breakages: I have had my wiper mechanism collapse, as have many others, I read of paintwork defects on 500s and GPs, and the list of other problems with GPs is seemingly endless. And the Fiat Diesels have issues with water pump failure which can wreck the whole engine: this has affected Saab and Opel cars too with the same engines. If they were designed so that the failure of one component didn't wreck the whole engine things would be better. I know some of these faults are now resolved, and that the Diesels probably won't be sold in the US, but this is my point: the cars sold in the US will need to work first time out of the box - and keep working.

I am very hopeful for Fiat's involvement in the US market again, but I believe we have to be honest here and accept that there are problems, because only by acknowledging this can the right measures be put in place to correct the situation.

Don't get me wrong, i believe Fiats are pretty good reliability wise, but they aren't the best, and they don't compete yet with the Japanese and Koreans. Toyota is beginning to get a poorer reputation in the US as there are rust issues and some component problems too. This is to Fiat's benefit of course, but there is a lot of competition, and Ford will soon be selling the Euro Focus there too don't forget, and it is very eagerly awaited.

Fiat is working round the clock now fettling its product for US launch. I am hopeful.
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I've not exactly done a huge mileage, 40,000 in 4 years, but my Panda MJ has so far cost me a set of brake pads and a pair of front wipers. At its latest MOT test I was advised one of the front suspension bushes will need replacing quite soon. I've never had this before, but then there are more speed humps and pot-holes than ever before round our way.

The Uno 60DS diesel I bought new in 1989 covered (about) 120,000 miles in 4years as a driving school car and front pads replaced twice, rear shoes once, one clutch and the fuel pump re-built. The latter was because someone, alright, me, let it run out of fuel three times and clogged up the pump. The mechanic who used to service it bought it for his sister and it ran for another 5 years before it was written off in a crash.
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Put it this way. Americans can't afford to drive the cars they do now. They're already living on borrowed time.

Adapt or die. Now is not the time to look all big and mightly like the T-rex.
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well chrysler's dropped 789 dealerships and given those dealers a month to get rid of their stock of 44,000 cars before the dealers will have to take the loss on them. That's pretty brutal.

Chrysler's factory incentives are up to $6,000, beyond that dealers will sell for whatever they think they can get, and the government's proposed 'cash for clunkers' (up to $4,500) program pretty much means that cars are now the least expensive item in America. I expect the law to pass because--well everything else has.

last night I heard a news story of a (somewhat) area dealer with chrysler 300's for under $20k. That's right around the higher range where I expect FIAT 500 territory to be. Suppose it makes sense though if factory to dealer incentive is $6k.
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I wouldnt mind a Jeep Patriot if they are going cheap!


Every manufacturer is fighting the same things qualitywise and while there is such pressure on car prices, failures and supplier problems will continue.
I would imagine if every car was guaranteed to sell at its retail price there would be far fewer problems.
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The new CAFE standards announced today (fuel consumption) should benefit Fiat.

And when the price of oil rises, as it will before long, there will be an added incentive to buy economical cars.

I know Chrysler is throwing away old stock, but I doubt the Chrysler demographic is exactly the same as the Fiat one will be, so I am still optimistic.
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The new CAFE standards announced today (fuel consumption) should benefit Fiat.

And when the price of oil rises, as it will before long, there will be an added incentive to buy economical cars.

I know Chrysler is throwing away old stock, but I doubt the Chrysler demographic is exactly the same as the Fiat one will be, so I am still optimistic.
I remember that the first time around. I think that may be what caused Chrysler to introduce the Cricket (Hillman Avenger) and Ford the Fiesta.
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Re: Today's deal between FIAT and Chrysler

A glitch!

I'm just listening to Bloomberg and it looks like some of the Chrysler creditors are going back to the courts to fight for a better deal. They might prefer full chapter seven bankruptcy to the current, managed, chapter eleven deal.

Watch this space. If Chrysler goes into chapter seven Fiat will just have to buy assets to gain an American foothold; like plant and dealers: Saturn maybe?

This is not good, because speed is important if new cars are to be brought to market in a sensible time frame.
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Check the Vatican chimney - proper color smoke now emanating from it. Our Supreme Court decided to not have any say - so today's press announcements mean the deal is going on. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/6468692.html

Now maybe we can get our own Fiat forum in the states.
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Check the Vatican chimney - proper color smoke now emanating from it. Our Supreme Court decided to not have any say - so today's press announcements mean the deal is going on. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/6468692.html

Now maybe we can get our own Fiat forum in the states.
What you want that for?! The biggest and best is already here

I love the comments on the website, all slating Obama and saying what a bad job he's done with it. Obviously these people had a different plan for saving all these workers jobs? The company was literally about to fold, and this is a lifeline.
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Well, the deal seems to be done now and hopefully a combination of the American "lemon" laws and new Fiat technology will mean a better deal for everyone as any improvements in quality/reliability should filter down globally throughout the range.

http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?id=99743&lk=dm
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