Adjustable rear camber kits

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Adjustable rear camber kits

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I'm currently developing a negative rear camber kit for the bravo/brava/coupe models (and possibly all cars at a later date) and wanted to get opinions on who would be interested in one. It would be an adjustble system that would let you finely adjust the camber and toe in if you wish to suit your taste.

No ideas on price yet, but it wont be hugely expensive, I am trying to keep the 'fitted and set up' cost to less than £500.

Having prototypes made and will be testing on my car as soon as I can.

If you are interested reply below with any questions.

Steve
 
Bulldog, I havent got any pictures at the moment, as we are in a very early stage. I will freely post pics when we are underway and post my findings, good or bad.

Dave, no I havent, but after chats with sedici rich (tipo race car) I assume there isnt one, or he would have mentioned.

Also, am i allowed to trade on this forum? this kit right now is for me, but if i am allowed to, I will get a run made and offer them for sale, along with other parts ;)

Steve
 
Thanks dave, if i'm allowed to keep this thread open as its my own car, and i'll pay up and probably have a banner when I intend to sell parts..
 
Steve H: you may want to put a not up on the Fiat Coupe forum, particularly in the "Handling" section, as us Coupe chaps are always looking for ways to improve the Coupe's suspension performance.

:)
 
Circolo - I will, as soon as its back online, its telling me they're moving it to a new server at the moment?

Maddogmorg: No, although I will be working on a fully rose jointed adjustable setup down the line. That will be slightly more involved though.
 
I'm currently developing a negative rear camber kit for the bravo/brava/coupe models (and possibly all cars at a later date) and wanted to get opinions on who would be interested in one. It would be an adjustble system that would let you finely adjust the camber and toe in if you wish to suit your taste.
are you planning to supply bolts with smaller heads? or instructions to drill the bolt holes larger? or some new magic method that makes a very simple job seem clever? :confused:
changig blts or redilling holes is cheap and easy, so competing with methods like that will mean your idea needs tp be just as cheap and easy as these conventional methods.

either way you could sell them as kits on ebay and boyracers would buy them. i thought about the bolt option. £20 for a set of 6 bolts sounds fair. :D

personally i've always used the hole drilling method, along with bigger washers. imo its the easiest and safest way to adjust camber and castor. for adjusting toe it depends on the setup, but a few washers are all you usually need to achieve a couple of degrees change.
 
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sorry jug but you're confused with the front suspension here, its a far different story on the rear.

Dave - no nothing exists, and for a simple reason - it ain't simple.

Now off the top of my head I think the best way to do this will be to replce the std hub set up with something more like the clio cups have, which if I remember right has 4 bolts fitting the stub axle to the trailing arm. I would adapt the whole clio cup carrier onto a new fitting on the tipo swing arm - could be bolted like the existing hub without any bearing, or re-weld an new machined section - I would favour the machined approach. Personally I would buy the renault sport part, so I can use their shims. The benefit would be leaving the OE spring and damper positioning the same and parallel top and bottom.

look at 08 clio or earlier - they seem to have very similar rear arms
http://www.worldseriesbyrenault.ch/rst-clio/docs/Reparaturhandbuch/4-Chassis-1.pdf (4.3 rear sus). Or older version http://www.worldseriesbyrenault.ch/rst-clio/docs/Handbuch_Manuel_de_reparation_cli.pdf .

Now as for offering a kit, I would forget that, I see no way this can be easily achieved for joe public, certainly I think guessing a price is pointless at this stage. Look to get your car as required first.

Also remember this, if you run negative rear camber on a swing arm then the angle of toe will alter and steer the car depending on range of suspension travel. If a road car runs any significant rear negative -1 to -2.5 then it will experince some rear steer effects in bump and rebound, also excess toe in/out heave and pitch. So I would be careful, a race car runs near as solid on the rear compared to a the road car where angular changes due to wheel travel are very small, thus less significant.

cars that use the tipo platform and rear swing arms of the same style (width vary), tipo, coupe, old bravo, brava, marea, tempra, 155, 145, 146, dedra.
good luck.
 
Also remember this, if you run negative rear camber on a swing arm then the angle of toe will alter and steer the car depending on range of suspension travel. If a road car runs any significant rear negative -1 to -2.5 then it will experince some rear steer effects in bump and rebound, also excess toe in/out heave and pitch. So I would be careful, a race car runs near as solid on the rear compared to a the road car where angular changes due to wheel travel are very small, thus less significant.

More so if that negative camber is provided at the end of the arm. If the negative camber was provided somehow at the pivot point then the camber remains more or less equal with the travel.

This is elegantly demonstrated when the trailing arm bearing goes on a Tipo'esk car. :rolleyes::eek:

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this problem also lead me to a similar idea, sleeve and offset the bore in the arm with a smaller diameter bearing, the only issue was the spring seat going out of parallel with the top seat, not such an issue with a soft spring. Its probably the only way I could do it legally. Not sure how the clearance would be against the arm at the pivot. Also if the sleeve was in the incorrect orientation you could get more toe then camber...
 
sorry jug but you're confused with the front suspension here, its a far different story on the rear.
oh yeah we're talking about the rear! :bang:

i knew that, but my brain wandered.

the bravo has trailing arms that are connected to a torsion beam. on cars like that you use adjustable trailing arm brackets to adjust camber, or if you're old school you modify (heat and bend) some trailing arms. personally i think its best to decide what setting you want and then mod the arms, but finding the best setting is difficult (impossible) without an opportunity to experiment, so the adjustable brackets are needed at least until you decide what setting you want.
 
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Thanks for the informed replies Rich and Hellcat.

Jug, did your brain wander in between quoting me talking about the rear kit and typing about the front suspension in your first sentence? :cry:

Right. I've not started this yet, as I have been busy this week with loads of other cars. I hope to make a start on it this week/next week and I will get some pics up as I go.

And yes, originating the camber at the trailing arm will affect the toe as the suspension travels through its arc, I hope to negate as much of this as is reasonably possible. It will be aimed at track/fast road cars, so I'm working on the basis that the suspension will have reduced travel over standard.

It doesnt involve heating/bending the rear arms as I dont feel this can be carried out accurately enough, and although the sleeve method is interesting, it isnt what i'm thinking of either. Just to keep you guessing... :D

It might be a spectacular failure for all I know :cry:
 
Jug none of the bravo's had torsion beam, they have springs, or I'll eat my hat if im wrong.

Steve I await to hear your idea, I have 2 more, i've given it some thought over the years mind. Oh actually 3, maybe for but they're a bit far fetched...
 
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