well i dont beleive in god or follow any religion, all too far fetched for me, i see it as just a very old scheme of taking money off people, but i think it can be a great comfort for people in need.
the god delusion
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As can I, but personally I couldn't any longer, it would mean completely ignoring logic which is a concept I live by since at least I can see it happen and quantify it.
I think the reverse is true. Evolution was made up to 'explain' what science couldnt. Like why would a wood pecker evolve a tissue around its brain so it doesnt knock itself out when pecking, when he could just copie the black bird??!! and how the earths 52 degree tilt is perfect for seasons and so the nights arent too long for it to get too cold and days arent too long for them to get too hot? Its all too perfect!
Yes religion is the main cause of death in the world but Jesus said the true religion will be one with love. So that rules a whole load out!!! in the worldwars bishops would 'bless' there side before war- but on each side!!!! so thats wrong for a start!!!!! Also jesus said the true religion would be walking in his foot steps. He preached so, so should the true religion!!!! most religions dont even know the name of there god! lol?
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Random mutation which proved sucessful
Potentially billions of planets in the Universe. A few would be correct.
The chances of no planets being able to support seasons within a temerate climate would be silly.
You would think the reverse is true, yet intelligent design as such suddenly appeared in the 1980s, maybe we lost that chapter from the fictional bible?
Evolution isn't that clever, it's not proactive, if that's true about a wood pecker then all it was that the ones with extra tissue around their brains lived longer and had more kids, thus making an attribute normal in the long term. Evolution is a passive thing, done by consequential changes.
The Earth's tilt? It's not "lucky" that it's like that and hence why we're here, it's things like that that explain why we're here. The simple fact is that we're here because everything on this planet worked out for us to be able to live, we wouldn't be here if it was at a different tilt, just like we're not on Mars or Saturn, or any of the other billions of planets. The fact we're here is as a result of the tilt and other amazing things, which yes, were just by the law of averages. We could equally be on another planet in any other place if the same conditions happened.
Jesus didn't say that since Jesus didn't exist, however, Churchill said we would fight them on the beaches, the former is a fictional quote made up to explain something, the latter was said 65 years ago.
Most religions don't even know their names of their God? I don't quite understand what that means, there is no God, it's an entity that doesn't exist, trying to apply a name to something that exists neither in spirit, history of as a tangible item is not possible, just like Ghosts don't exist.
We're not even beginning on contradictions within the bible, the thousands of different intereptations from fundamentalism to conservative to liberalism and
so on.
To repeat myself, it's not "too perfect", it's the reason why we're here and not dead. You're looking at it from the wrong direction.
Yeh and all the creatures and plants and the Earth etc show the impact of an intelligent design
Explain the formation of Chavs then. I don't see ANY intelligence in their design
Explain the formation of Chavs then. I don't see ANY intelligence in their design
A subtle form of evolution of course, just in a way we consider to oppose future advancement.
Just at the same time his claws changed so it could grip vertically on the tree and the same time its tounge got longer to reach for the insects, oh and there goes its beak. Sharp and stronger so it doesnt smash. Way too much chance there tbh!
I can see what you mean about the plants, but again it ALL cant be down to chance? Cant anybody see that?
Well why is there A.D and B.C then? B.C = before christ. and all calenders are set to this (A.D)
Well firstly there's proof of evolution so are you suggesting that the intelligent designer (God or his sidekick) made a few bodges of everything then fixed it? THEN sent the floods and told Noah to build an arc?
None of that changed instantly, you are misunderstanding evolution. What happened was the longer tongued animal (whatever you're talking about) could eat more, live longer and therefore procreate more. It's not active, it didn't happen since it would be better, it happened over millions of years by animals with more useful characteristics surviving better, the same reason why humans rule the earth. It's not down to chance, it's down to survival of the fittest.
The same with the imposable thumbs which happened, the group that had that could suddenly do things much better, therefore survived much better and procreated more.
Well why is there A.D and B.C then? B.C = before christ, and all calenders are set to this
The exact same reason as to why you believe in God, because 2,000 years ago it was the easiest way to explain our existence. Just because we started using it in the 8th century no way supports anything, except that in the 8th century it was thought that Jesus existed, now we know better.
I suppose I could also look up 30 other date systems with absolutely no basis other than an arbitrary reasoning which made sense back then.
They always add Millions of years for it to sound feasible. History shows that over millions of years things break down and get worse, not better. Well Im not going to twist your arm. But that is my view. Enjoy beleiving we came from a mud pool millions of years ago and we are basically doomed! Night night
Life has been on the planet for millions of years.
relativley its only been the blink of an eye since the dinosaurs bought it.
New species come and old species go, It's not changed and the only way it will change is when man eventually makes the planet uninhabitable. Only then it will only be for a short time (relativley that is we could be talking millions of years ) Before it will alll start over again with life so strange and diverse compared to what we have with us now that it could only be random chance!
Omnipotent or not! God couldn't have the imagination it would have required to come up with some of the creature that have lived on this rock!
Also if God did have the imagination how could he/she/it have accomplished it, and why would it be so flawed if he/she/it is so powerful?
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Survival!
We all have the instinct of survival,food or reproduction.We protect our young,lions & bears etc will kill young of others to ensue the survival of their own.Animals will adapt to reach/find/extract food,some protect their young closely for years others produce thousands in the hope one or two make it to adulthood either way we do it to ensue the survival of our species.
We evolve & are constantly evolving but its a long slow evolutinary process.
But I won't die one day and realise I have lived believing in something which is blatently not worth believing in. I will believe in things that exist, but not in concepts that are only around due to ignorance. History shows that over millions years things break...I am guessing that's just a soundbite you made up? You're entitled your view, but I am also quite able to slate your views as much as I can slate the view of terrorism or other such silly thoughts and beliefs.
Amateur's mistake
Of course God could have had the imagination, God is all knowing and seeing, any concept we have of imagination is from him, thus he has the world's imagination and beyond.Of course he accomplished it due to his power; or life is a metaphor that he controls.
Amateur's mistake
Of course he accomplished it due to his power; or life is a metaphor that he controls.
Careful you upset the feminist fundametalists!
A further amateur's mistake, "he" is just a representation of the almighty being, he makes the concept of the word "he" therefore he can be anything.
I'm sorry!
It's ok; God is our creator and therefore creates our mistakes too, he is there for forgive us. My athiestism is due to how he created me therefore the beauty is that he can't have a go at me when I approach death
