The Fiat Forum General election

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The Fiat Forum General election

Who's best?

  • Labour

    Votes: 10 19.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 16 30.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 8 15.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 18 34.6%

  • Total voters
    52
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I know its a long way off yet but I just wondered what people thought.

Obviously you dont have to say in a post. (I'm assuming that the poll is totally private, if not feel free to remove this thread)

However feel free to post what sort of things you think will sway you're mind in 2 years time.

I'll post my vote up after a few other people or you'll all know I'm voting for the muslim nationalist party!
 
Any party except Tory please! Not until the Tories explain A: what exactly their policies are - B: How they are realistically going to pay for them and C: When Cameron stops being so slimey will I even consider them as a viable option for running the UK.

Tactical Voting is the way to go anyway :slayer:
 
None have very strong candidates at the moment, but Cameron is probably the worste. He manages to talk a huge amount without actually saying anything. He is actually a difficult skill to master I think, maybe one day he will let a policy slip out when he's talking.

He is a bit like that Harry Enfield character, "Tim awfully nice but very dim"
 
I've voted tactically in the past :) At present, I would listen to the candidates and see what they have to say. Our local MP is Conservative but doesn't always toe the party line and is very helpful and stands up for local issues a lot. Thank god I don't live in Carlisle city because the MP there is horrible!
 
Our local MP is the shadow Attorney General, he does a good job and is very pleasant to talk to. He has my vote next time.
 
No ****ing party is worth voting for, I shall be showing this by voiding my ballot paper.

Fair enought at least you'll be using your right to vote, i beleive they should have a none of the above on the papers as often voided/spoiled papers are seen as not important when in reality they should give a clear msg to the partys that some peeps aint happy. But much better to do that than not vote and then complain about the government etc. In my opinion if you dont vote you have no right to complain! (y)
 
i never vote. many people think that is a waste, but by not voting my vote is saying i do not feel there is anyone worth voting for. that sends a very clear message. why do i feel that way? well they're all the same really, no one offers anything of interest to me. to vote for someone just for the sake of voting would be a waste. give politics the finger, save your vote for someone who deserves it.


financially (and traditionally) someone like me would be better off if the conservatives were in power. labour tend to take from the rich and give to the poor. where as the tories let the rich keep it, which seems much more fair to me. why should i have to pay for my good fortune and hard work, especially when it gets used to pay for some pregnant teen or lazy addict. screw that! traditionally the tories dont believe scum should be funded by hard workers. the problem with this idea is that traditional conservative values are no longer in place, so i have no guarantee that voting tory will help me financially. the good old days are long gone.
 
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Surprised that Cameron is doing so well in the above voting, I have seen more action from a lazy, cold, asmatic ant on valium on his day off chilling out with a bicardi and coke, enjoying his wife's company whilst reading "how to max relax" with his feets up.

Labour is the only way to go for me personally, I trust Gordon Brown more than the others and although TB has made mistakes (which reflect badly on the labour party), it could have been a lot, lot worse. I only remember the bloom of the Blair years (being 21) and although I have issues with a number of policies, the good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.
 
i never vote. many people think that is a waste, but by not voting my vote is saying i do not feel there is anyone worth voting for. that sends a very clear message. why do i feel that way? well they're all the same really, no one offers anything of interest to me. to vote for someone just for the sake of voting would be a waste. give politics the finger, save your vote for someone who deserves it.


financially (and traditionally) someone like me would be better off if the conservatives were in power. labour tend to take from the rich and give to the poor. where as the tories let the rich keep it, which seems much more fair to me. why should i have to pay for my good fortune and hard work, especially when it gets used to pay for some pregnant teen or lazy addict. screw that! traditionally the tories dont believe scum should be funded by hard workers. the problem with this idea is that traditional conservative values are no longer in place, so i have no guarantee that voting tory will help me financially. the good old days are long gone.


Your forgetting about the Legalised Cannabis Alliance Party :rolleyes:
 
Your forgetting about the Legalised Cannabis Alliance Party :rolleyes:

the Legalised Cannabis Alliance do have some valid points, but obviously there is a lot more to running an economy that taking a realistic approach to dealing with recreational drug use, a lot more. i think their focus on such a small insignificant issue makes them difficult to take seriously. even with my strong feeling on the matter it is not nearly enough to make me even consider voting, which is besides the point because they do not have a political party any more. drug policy should be an aspect of every party, not the foundation for one.
 
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financially (and traditionally) someone like me would be better off if the conservatives were in power. labour tend to take from the rich and give to the poor. where as the tories let the rich keep it, which seems much more fair to me. why should i have to pay for my good fortune and hard work, especially when it gets used to pay for some pregnant teen or lazy addict. screw that! traditionally the tories dont believe scum should be funded by hard workers. the problem with this idea is that traditional conservative values are no longer in place, so i have no guarantee that voting tory will help me financially. the good old days are long gone.

That's a very old and typically right wing propaganda stereotype of how Labour taxation has previously been applied Jug...

You seem to forget that under Thatcher's and Major's Tory party, it appeared that high earners kept more of their money BUT this was offset by the fact that there were far more stealth taxes involved. You think it's bad now! VAT went up from 8% to 17.5% between 1979 and 1997, which hit the workers who couldn't claim it back far harder than the executives and entrepreneurs who could.

Sure the Tories cut taxation, but it was more of a case of give with one hand and take with the other. Remember free milk in school? That was taken away by Thatcher in the 70's ("Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher" was a slogan at the time!). So those that wanted their kids to have milk at school now had to pay for it.

What about prescription charges? Those went up dramatically under Tory, and many people who were previously exempt now had to pay for it. This hit those in the working classes (who were WORKING) moreso than the middle and upper classes. Ironically, regardless of the wage a family was earning child benefit was offered to everyone. A rich family could claim a few quid in child benefit on top of their high earnings, but a low earning lower class family couldn't get free/ subsidised prescriptions anymore. Equality eh?

Remember as well that the Tories wanted to privatise just about anything and had set about selling off most of the state run industries at knock down prices. Certainly that meant you would no longer have to pay for them through your taxation, but if you wanted to use them at all you had to pay full whack for them instead. This was going to include education, health, public facilities/ ameneties no doubt had the Tories clung to power...

Seeing how badly some of the privatised industries have faired (Railtrack anyone?) and how the Water Companies for instance gave most of their profits to shareholders rather investing in the replacement of leaking Victorian pipes (giving us a hose pipe ban) shows that privatising essential services is not necessarilly a good thing.

Therefore you might have ended up paying less tax out of your wages under previous Tory governments, but the cost of living for essential services useage would go up dramatically. See what I mean about giving with one hand and taking with the other?

So when the Tories STILL go on about cutting taxes I take it with a pinch of salt. The schools, the hospitals, the libraries, street cleaning, Policing, the Civil Service etc. needs to be paid for. They don't run magically, and if privatised then the share holder becomes the priority rather than the service for the end user (the public).

And besides, I have ALWAYS been financially better off under a Labour government than under the Tories. That included periods where I was earning good money and also periods when I was unemployed. Only the very rich would be substantially better off, and we can't compare the taxation of the 70's Labour government with the Labour government of today. The socio-economic climate is very different now than it was then. We do actually pay LESS direct tax under Labour today than we did under previous Tory governments.

If you ever get the chance to challenge Mr. Cameron, ask him how he is going to pay for his promised tax cuts. The simple answer is that Joe Public will foot the bill one way or another. The books have to be balanced somehow.

So until the Tories give me an idea of how their policies are going to be paid for I will not vote for them. They put me and most of my friends out of work back in the early 90's, as well as causing some of the biggest economic crashes in recent times - Black Monday, the property market crash, mass unemployment, high interest and VAT rates etc.

I always vote tactically anyway, making sure that party I LEAST want to get into power doesn't. At the next election I could be voting for any party, but it won't be Tory that's for sure.

Don't waste your vote, it's a valuable opportunity to have your say.

*End of Chas' party political broadcast*

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