Does anybody have a link other than the one on the sun website for this? The firewall kicks in on the sun website for the video and couldn't find it on youtube?
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"Friendly Fire" video?
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"Friendly Fire" video?
was on channel 4 news so maybe there web site
news 24 said there is a link on their website
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I thought it might not be anywhere since it wasn't on skynews and they usually do things first. It was on C4 Dave, thank you.
Poor buggers, f-ing poor buggers, it made me sick watching it, those pilots have to live with that, as do the soldiers on the ground (+ 1 dead) due to mucked up intelligence. For the last few days it seemed like the media was blaming the pilots?! I suppose that shows what quoting individual comments can do.
Poor buggers, f-ing poor buggers, it made me sick watching it, those pilots have to live with that, as do the soldiers on the ground (+ 1 dead) due to mucked up intelligence. For the last few days it seemed like the media was blaming the pilots?! I suppose that shows what quoting individual comments can do.
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Guess it will always happen with a fast moving battlefield though, just wish they:
a) Had a more capable system
b) Did more checks
c) Didn't spend 4 years doing nothing about it
I can't believe I let myself blame the pilot
a) Had a more capable system
b) Did more checks
c) Didn't spend 4 years doing nothing about it
I can't believe I let myself blame the pilot
from what i heard on the radio today, the pilots were told there were no friendlys in the area - because they reported their posistion wrong.
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Is that true? I can't find a reference to that? Everything I heard from the cockpit video points to it being a mistake above the pilots and I don't remember then giving in a new position between the time event and them being told to cease fire?
in the 1st gulf war didnt the americans bomb a british tank?
i was half listening to the radio at work, and that is what i thought i heard. i might be wrong. the real question is why werent the transponders working that would show them as friendlys?
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Do they have transponders too? Maybe the A10 isn't equiped to read such signals. To me it seems like they have:
Constant intelligence updates
Specific types of vehicles with specific markings on
Red smoke flares
And you say a transponder?
You would think with all that it would be fairly safe!
Constant intelligence updates
Specific types of vehicles with specific markings on
Red smoke flares
And you say a transponder?
You would think with all that it would be fairly safe!
This is what the Sun says:
Circling at an altitude of 12,000ft, the A-10s spotted Iraqi vehicles 800 yards north, and the British patrol less than three miles west. ERROR ONE came when they asked the Forward Air Controller, call sign Manila Hotel, if friendly forces were around the Iraqi vehicles — not to the west. In ERROR TWO neither pilot gave the precise grid references for the Household Cavalry patrol to double check its identity.
ERROR THREE saw them convince themselves the identification panels were really orange rocket launchers.
In ERROR FOUR POPOV36 decides to attack, saying he is “rolling in” — without permission from the Forward Air Controller. POPOV35 asks for artillery to fire a marker round into the target area to clear up confusion.
But ERROR FIVE came when POPOV36 attacked without waiting for it. In ERROR SIX POPOV36 strafes the column for a second time but still doubts its identity.
full story http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007060133,00.html
Circling at an altitude of 12,000ft, the A-10s spotted Iraqi vehicles 800 yards north, and the British patrol less than three miles west. ERROR ONE came when they asked the Forward Air Controller, call sign Manila Hotel, if friendly forces were around the Iraqi vehicles — not to the west. In ERROR TWO neither pilot gave the precise grid references for the Household Cavalry patrol to double check its identity.
ERROR THREE saw them convince themselves the identification panels were really orange rocket launchers.
In ERROR FOUR POPOV36 decides to attack, saying he is “rolling in” — without permission from the Forward Air Controller. POPOV35 asks for artillery to fire a marker round into the target area to clear up confusion.
But ERROR FIVE came when POPOV36 attacked without waiting for it. In ERROR SIX POPOV36 strafes the column for a second time but still doubts its identity.
full story http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007060133,00.html
according to the news on radio1, yes. the system should've been working and would show the friendlys as blue on the radar. british say they had the transponders on and working, US say they didn't.
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KNowing our equipment, I would believe the yanks...
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I haven't seen one military analyst come out and say the pilots were at fault, despite the above post?
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Link is above, in the Sun link...
As i had family in the services i understand how upseting it is to have a member killed in the line of duty, especially by 'friendly fire'. However, the fact ramains that neither British nor US troops should be there at all.
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that's not a fact, its an opinion.
