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There have been many threads about how accurate GPS is compared to your speedo. Well my recent trip to Scotland seems to have settled it for me at least.

Went through 2 speed traps in 2 separate villages. Both display your speed - one even displays a smiley face if you're under the limit :slayer:

On the first 40 on my speedo equated to 35 on GPS and the display showed 36mph.

Second I tried faster - 42/43 on speedo equated to 37/38 on GPS and 37/38 on the display.

I then tried one locally which for arguements sake is on a private road.. 50 on the speedo equated to 45 on the GPS and the radar site showed 45.

Proof enough for me that when it has decent signal - GPS is much more accurate than the speedo built into your car.
 
Cal said:
There was never any debate, GPS is 100% accurate, but has a few second delay.
No it's not. It's accurate compared to a car's speedo, but it's not 100% accurate.
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GPS is very accurate if you are travelling in a straight line at a constant speed, much more than a speedo.

But if you aren't going in a stright line GPS will calculate speed using distance travelled and time taken, the distance around a curve is longer than the distance between to points, and gps uses 2 points per calculation, effectively assuming a straight line betwen the 2, meaning GPS speed will be slightly slower than true speed around a bend.

Speedo's are required to display a slightly higher speed than true speed. this is needed because a speedo that read lower than true speed could cause all sorts of peoblems, such as speeding even though you thought you weren't. Its better to be going slower than you think rather than faster than you think.

I'm curious about GPS vs Speedo accuracy so i've done a few tests, in my car i usually have a tomtom gps running on my PDA. for a test I also used my girlfriend's garmin streetpilot. i comapred the 3 reading at different speeds-

Speedo- 30
Tomtom- 26
Garmin- 26

Speedo- 70
Tomtom- 65
Garmin- 65

Speedo- 130 (plus a tiny little bit on this occasion)
Tomtom- 123
Garmin- 123

so i found out that both GPS systems provided identicle figures (although tomtom was slower to show latest speed during acceleration) and also that the gap between the speedo's figure and the gps figure grew as the speed increased.

i thought that might be due to a percentage thing, and an average would be most accurate, so i calculated the percentage difference between GPS and speedo. then an average percntage differance.

(100/30)*27=90 (10% difference!!)
(100/70)*65=92.86 (7.14% difference!!)
(100/130)*123=94.61 (5.39% difference!!)

(90+92.86+94.61)/3=92.49 (GPS on average 7.5% slower)


so what doesn this mean, well it shows that as speed increases the percentage difference between the GPS and speedo decreases. why would that be? well GPS averages speed between 2 points, so averaging over a larger distance (higher speed) should be more accurate, maybe thats why. or maybe its because a speedo's accuracy changes depending on speed making it more accurate at high speed. i always though they were less accurate at high speed, but maybe they are just less accurate compared to the preset safety inaccuarcy , actually making them more accurate at speed (opposite to what i always thought).

another interesting point is that if we assume the GPS is accurate, we can say a car's speedo is on average 7.5% inaccurate, i.e. your actual speed plus 7.5% is speedo speed.

i've also noticed that my GPS reads the same as those pointless speed indicator signs on the road, implying they are actually accurate, although they use radar so i always doubted their accuracy, but i'm starting to think they're right.

i also have to consider than my tyres are a smaller profile (195/50/15s) than the standard 185/55/15 tyres, so my speedo would actually read slower with the original wheels and tyres, making it slightly more accurate and closer to the GPS speed. i dont know how much of a difference that will make but its on my list of thing to do when i get a chance.
 
The 130 Weekend is on correct size tyres but is slightly less accurate than the Bravo or the Tipo at the speedo.

Your tomtom may be slightly slower due to running on 3rd party hardware. My tomtomgo 700 seems quite quick to react to speed changes.

As for if it is truly accurate - well who cares as long as you know what speed is that the police will be using to prosecute you if you stray over. I'd guess those little speed display signs use the same technology as police cameras.
 
i thought the same, but it means i now do about 35 in a 30 because i think i'm only doing 30 really. hope it doesnt come back to bite me on the ass
 
jug said:
i thought the same, but it means i now do about 35 in a 30 because i think i'm only doing 30 really. hope it doesnt come back to bite me on the ass

What we need is a 'tame' policeman who can borrow a speed gun for the weekend :chin:

I do 30 on my speedo and the other cars come zooming up behind me.. Maybe its Fiat speedos that are inaccurate?
 
Cal said:
There was never any debate, GPS is 100% accurate, but has a few second delay.

As has been pointed out that is wrong, GPS satellites are run by the US military, therefore they can and will when they want move them to where they need them to give better coverage, i.e the Iraq.

All GPS firms only buy GPS information from them, but they are given no assurance of 100% coverage, and can in fact drop to only 2 satellites in any particular area giving inaccurate data.

There have been rumours that Europe will launch its own independent system run by a non military organisation so no interference. Plus GPS is only meant to be accurate to 100m in civilian use, not 10, in military use its 2m, this is because they can be used by people like terrorists etc and accurate GPS info would be useful for them remote detonation devices or what ever else they could do with it.

The Russian system is called Glonas (spelling?)

I only know this as in aviation GPS would be ideal for transatlantic flights as you have no radar over the Atlantic, therefore planes are separated in track by time, or height, if GPS was accurate then we could have lots more planes going over the Atlantic closer together, using a display linked to GPS data giving near radar coverage, but we don't. The solution to this is linked to a civilian system being launched.
 
J333EVO said:
There have been rumours that Europe will launch its own independent system run by a non military organisation so no interference.

Surrey Satelites have already launched (using a Russian rocket) the first satelite for evaluating Galileo (The Euro "GPS").

We have used GPS on a laptop and the difference in our 307 seemed to be between 3 and 5mph all the way up from 30mph to 70mph. Plotting the speedo and GPS could allow you to find an approximate line indicating offset and multiplication factor between them.

I try to stick to a true 30mph in a built up area, meaning going up to about 35mph indicated. Of course most other drivers seem to ignore the limits - I just hope they are concentrating should a child run out in front etc...

A dutch guy I know has "invented" a box that has accelerometers that can effectivly work out where you've been, and thus given a starting position show you where you are on a map. Although he's been developing it more for measuing a cars bhp by feeding in the weight etc and then flooring the car...
 
Hellcat said:
Can't get any data out of 2 satelites... nevermind innacurate!

Well you can, but it will only tell you that you're location is on a straight line at a right angle to a point between them - ie useless for positioning. But pretty good if you're wondering what the time is...
 
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