Airplane fuel - Question.

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I have just been thinking about how much a plane polutes the air due to a post in the budget thread. why do planes not use hydrogen?

Its used in the space shuttle, and turns into rain once its been used, so it has zero emissions, and will help the drought in america ;)

What does everyone think ?
 
You should email the big wigs at airbus or something lol
 
Part of the reason would be costs - I reckon aviation fuel is cheaper at this point in time than hydrogen..............................
 
It would signal an end to the 1p per seat Ryanair et al fares. Sadly market forces desire cheap seats rather than ecologically sounds transport.
 
Who cares about airplane pollution? Bottom line is the U.K. contributes only 5% of the worlds greenhouse gases so until the likes of China, Japan & the U.S.A. get their arses into gear theres not a fat lot we can do.
I think the uk record on pollution is pretty damn good at the moment! but theres always room for improvement. The USA wont do nothing about greenhouse gases until its too late rather like their stance on terrorism until it knocked on their door! Just wish that governments (not ours) would realise this is an international problem not just the fews!
 
The problem I have with hydrogen is a big german thing called the Hindenburg
 
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thisll have something to do with it. first you lose your suitcase then this happens. and try claiming that on your travel insurance!
 
arseofbox said:
The problem I have with hydrogen is a big german thing called the Hindenburg
Yeah there's that Tom, but technology has moved on since then. IIRC Iceland are trying out Hydrogen powered buses etc.
 
arseofbox said:
The problem I have with hydrogen is a big german thing called the Hindenburg

Actually the problem with the Hindenburg was with the covering material. It was made of linen doped with cellulose nitrate, iron oxide and aluminium dope. If you've ever seen the Thermite reaction, which is used to join railway lines, you'll know the heat energy generated. Of course the hydrogen didn't help!

Airlines do not pay tax on the fuel. Every time I fill my aircraft I pay more in duty than British Airways has ever!!!

The real problem is the transport of food, the vast majority of traffic is of lorries moving food from one place to another. I'm not saying we should go hungry but if food was sourced locallly, and we were prepared to have 'seasonal' food there would be much less pollution.
 
eerm wish i could add something intelligent to this conversation

*looks at intelligence stakes* but i cant

as long as my plane had enough fuel to get me from a to b i dont care lol:D
 
Zeppelins are in production. But they are massive and have very little capacity in relation to the size. And they are comparatively slow. Just imagine the capacity of the new A380 with 555 people on board to Australia with a crusing speed of under 100 miles...
It will be more comfortable on a boat and considerably less in fuel per passenger.
 
1986Uno45S said:
Arseofbox is correct, and I'm not! :eek: It was hydrogen, NOT helium.

Helium is the gas used for party balloons, and for inhaling to give you a funny squeaky voice. :p

More info in the Hindenburgh here:

http://www.nlhs.com/tragedy.htm

Ive always wondered why it makes you voice all squeaky anyone know :)
 
PNL said:
Ive always wondered why it makes you voice all squeaky anyone know :)

From Wikipedia:

The voice of a person who has inhaled helium temporarily sounds high-pitched, resembling those of the cartoon characters Alvin and the Chipmunks (although their voices were produced by shifting the pitch of normal voices). This is because the speed of sound in helium is nearly three times that in air. As a result, when helium is inhaled there is a corresponding increase in the resonant frequencies of the vocal tract. The higher perceived pitch is only due to a different frequency shaping of the voice, the fundamental frequency of the vocal cords remains more or less the same.

Although the vocal effect of inhaling helium may be amusing, it can be dangerous if done to excess. The reason is not due to toxicity or any property of helium but simply due to it displacing oxygen needed for normal respiration. One must be aware that in mammals (with the notable exception of seals) the breathing reflex is not triggered by insufficient oxygen but rather excess of carbon dioxide. Unconsciousness, brain damage and even asphyxiation followed by death may result in extreme cases. Also, if helium is inhaled directly from pressurized cylinders the high flow rate can fatally rupture lung tissue.
 
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