Trancendental said:

Sometimes I feel to smash into to rear of people with no brake lights.. then get out and blame everything on them and go orrrf on one.

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Maybe, but you realise you'd still get the blame. No matter what happens (within reason) if someone runs into the back of you it will always be their fault, not the ones in front. I agree though Tradecendetal i hate them too.

Matt

Wee Smurf said:

What I hate more than this is the vast number of cars with no brake lights... Why does no-one ever seem to check their lights? I'd like a Go Check Your Lights campaign... I always carry spares... Am I alone?

Rant over...

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i was driving up to leeds last year, over the m62 - dark and fairly heavy fog and passed a car with NO rear lights at all.

Trancendental said:

Sometimes I feel to smash into to rear of people with no brake lights.. then get out and blame everything on them and go orrrf on one.

No brake lights is a no brainer. I was in Hammersmith once and some lady was driving. in the back there was a male holding a child, I tried to pull along side to notify the driver of the no brake light situation as I know not all cars are as technologicallly advanced as mine with warnings etc she continually tried to cut me up for half a mile and when I did get along side both the male and female looked at me like I was crazy, God sometimes I wish I was five-0. BANNED!

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I often get that crazy woman look, when I inform people of their lack of brake lights...

I think people on here are confusing driving lights with fog lights, very few cars actually have front fog lights as there use in the UK is very limited, and there is no MOT requirement.

You do not need bright light in fog as it reflects off the water vapour molecules found in fog you need light that omits in front off the car in a wide arc, therefore a totally different beam pattern is projected from these than from driving lamps which are usually a long narrow beam to illuminate the road ahead.

This is where its a grey area, as yes unless visibility is less than 100M then fog lights can't be used, but there is no ruling on driving lamps, therefore people can drive with them on if they want, but can have problems as people misinterpret them as fog lights.

I can't see the problem myself, I'd be more concerned with the driving of the person who gets so easily distracted by lights when they should be concentrating on there own driving, reminds me of "Bugs Life" don't look in to the light

PS I use mine on A & B type roads which have no lighting as it increases my vision, though it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone wants to use them as long as they are alligned correctly, but then missaligned headlamps are worse as they are higher up the car in the first place.

I find an oncoming full beam much more annoying!

Fogs don't produce much dazzle at all, no-where near as much as a full beam (especially xenon!)

I did drive home last night with someone coming towards me with one main beam out and he had his other one on full beam (to compensate for only having one main beam)

People are too lazy to either check their lights are working or to use the correct lights when they are needed.

saying that I do drive with full beam and fogs on when I'm going down country lanes at night. Only when there is no other traffic though and as soon as I see another car I switch down to dipped beam and turn fogs off.

I am guessing those that think it should be allowed to have fog lights on in all weathers don't live in an area full of 4x4s with a full set of spotlights across the front? There's no bloomin' way you can avoid looking at them.

Just to clear this up, according to the construction and use regulation for motor vehicles, the fog lights are the lights that are mounted in the bumper alot lower than the headlights, alot of owners manuals label these incorrectly as driving lights, as it sounds better for promotional reasons. The lights that are inline with the headlights are driving lights, Sierra's have these as standard, as do Volvo 480's but it is an unusual feature on a car.

Whilst we are moaning about lighting, people with neon bits inside there car or those washer jet things, im sorry I just view these as w@nker lights.

Unless its foggy or jus avin a meet in a car park with some friends i dont use my fogs as they are ilegal to drive with, i wouldnt have so much of a problem with them if i wasnt pulled for aving them on about a year ago when i went to filey and came accros some fog but the fog cleared and i forgot to take turn em off so i got pulled and a £30 fine :bang: i pleaded with the officer but he said there was a purge that month for pulling people with fogs or aving multicoloured sidelights (he was jus meeting his quota) now i jus main beam em and they usually jus look puzzled

Crazy

Are citroen saxo fog lights wired up so they come on when you put the ignition on It is mainly saxo drivers round my area that drive round with side lights and fog's on I don't use the fog's in my car as they are ridiculously bright!

Had a couple of motorbike-wannabies (Cars with only 1 light working) behind me and the gf's dad on the North Yorkshire Moors road last night in the snow. BMW tried to overtake up a hill even though the lanes were divided by ghost island. He got a dose of 'baaaarp' and was left behind prompting him to finally light up his other light using his main beam. A quick flick of the mirror and the rear fog light switch soon dropped him and his lights further behind.

The number of 'One Light Stands' is increasing - does FIAT have the patent on electronic light checks or are people just so lazy or ignorant they don't ever check their lights? If you're running on 1 light then you're pushing your luck. Bink and the other one is gone and you have NO lights.

As for Fogs and sidelights - They get the full beam treatment. Got no time for them. Love to crash into one - claim I couldn't see him because he didn't have lights on and I was blinded by the glare from his fog lights on in clear weather. Can you say 'Compensation' ???/

J333EVO said:

I think people on here are confusing driving lights with fog lights, very few cars actually have front fog lights as there use in the UK is very limited, and there is no MOT requirement.

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This help your point (totally agree with your point J333EVO)

Driving Lights (lovely car ).


Fog Lights

Matt

Badger_Benji said:

Whilst we are moaning about lighting, people with neon bits inside there car.

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What is the matter with Interior Lighting?

don't matter if there fog or Driving Lights they still illegal if they dazzel people coming the other way

this and people who don't leave the middle lane on a motorway are my biggest road peeve!

But then you got 2 other lanes for yourself to overtake on

Trancendental said:

But then you got 2 other lanes for yourself to overtake on

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surely only one lane to overtake on.. one to undertake...

dave said:

don't matter if there fog or Driving Lights they still illegal if they dazzel people coming the other way

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I remember when 'driving' lights were those fitted above the bumper inbetween the headlights, and front 'fog' lights were those fitted below the bumper.

There used to be Construction and Use guidelines, that stipulated that all lights below a certain height - i.e. below bumper level - were subjected to the same restrictions as fog lights. So it doesn't matter if they were driving lights or fog lights, they were still covered by the same regulations. However, I can't find this piece of legislation anymore, so don't know if it has changed?

Also, driving with sidelights and front fog lights at night is contravening road traffic regulations! Regardless of using front fog lights, dipped headlights should be used when driving at night. Sidelights used to be called parking lights, and were not meant to be used for driving.

Thing that gets me, is why do all the Chavs think it is 'cool' to drive around with front fogs on all the time? I see badly modified Clio's and Saxo's (and all the other Chav cars), and they all seem to have got their front fogs stuck on ALL the time :bang:

Seraph I quite agree with you! Middle lane hoggers or the MLOC (Middle Lane Owners Club) are a pain in the butt. Even worse than that is the outside lane hoggers, always prevailent in the small hours of the morning when the M1 starts at Brent Cross. The number of times I've seen some idiot car sit in the outside lane of the empty motorway for mile after mile, even going past signs that clearly state 'Keep Left Unless Overtaking'. Duh! :shakehead

One of my pet hates are filter lanes, where two lanes go down to one. They seem to be all over the place now, and you can guarantee that most cars will filter to the left lane with plenty of time before the right lane ends. However, there are ALWAYS some selfish :tosser: tw@ts who rush down the outside and try and cut in at the last second, normally causing the cars on the inner lane to brake and bunch up. Thing that gets me is that there would be warnings for at least half a mile that the lanes were merging. Inconsiderate b@st@rds!

1986Uno45S said:

Also, driving with sidelights and front fog lights at night is contravening road traffic regulations! Regardless of using front fog lights, dipped headlights should be used when driving at night. Sidelights used to be called parking lights, and were not meant to be used for driving.

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On a fully lit town road it is legal, allbeit dangerous, to drive with with SideLights ONLY. But because sensible drivers know sidelights aren't bright enough.. we add a lil bit of foggy spice to the mixture.... Sidelight+FogLamps hoorah

around town i drive with lights on first click, the law says i can. and my white LED sidelights look fookin good.

One of my pet hates are filter lanes, where two lanes go down to one. They seem to be all over the place now, and you can guarantee that most cars will filter to the left lane with plenty of time before the right lane ends. However, there are ALWAYS some selfish tw@ts who rush down the outside and try and cut in at the last second, normally causing the cars on the inner lane to brake and bunch up. Thing that gets me is that there would be warnings for at least half a mile that the lanes were merging. Inconsiderate b@st@rds!

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no..no...no. the idiots are those getting into the other lanes as quickly as possible. say you have 2 lanes of traffic, cars are bumper to bumper - each lane has a jam 1mile long. it makes more sense to use both lanes for as long as possible before cramming everyone into the single lane forming a 2mile jam. i am, and always will be the idiot overtaking everyone and then coming in at the end of the lane.

I agree with the situation you mentioned Arc, but I meant when there is space before the queue of the inner lane of two lanes merging into one. For every driver that waits to the last minute before pulling in, that then puts everyone who DID pull in with plenty of time back one space and causes braking and bunching. If both lanes are jammed, then it is a different scenario.

Perhaps I should have made it clearer that it was queue jumpers that I found infuriating in filter lanes, the once who had plenty of opportunity to pull in before the lanes merged but try and cut in right at the point where the merging lane has almost ended.