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Thought I'd post this here as I know a lot of us view this thread frequently. Sorry if it should have been in the Tech department.

I'm assembling a list of service "stuff" for our Panda and my Boy's Punto both of which I'll be servicing in the new year. I know this subject has been raised before but I can't find the post I remember so I'll ask here.

Our Panda is a 2010 1.2 Dynamic Eco so has the 60Hp engine without VVT. I find many websites quote 2 different plug specs (which I presume is due to the overlap between the 60Hp and 69Hp engines). I'm further confused by the plug recommendations for the Punto (2012 1.4 8valve with VVT) which is different even to the plug recommended for the almost identical 8 valve 69Hp Panda engine. Not only that but sites seem to differ with some making different recommendations to others!

So I'm wondering if there's anyone on here who can give me "chapter and verse" on what I should be screwing into the Panda and Punto. I'd appreciate it in NGK "speak" as that's what my local factor stocks.

Ps. Just want to saty with "standard" plugs as this car only does about a couple of thousand miles a year. - Just found another ref for the Panda - NGK BKR 5 EZ so that's four different spec plugs in NGK alone now!

PS. I want to just stay with "standard" plugs, not fancy platinum, Iridium etc because this car only does about a couple of thousand miles a year.

I'm feeling very sorry for myself today, sitting surrounded by used paper hankies, with an absolute shocker of a head cold. I'm off now to make up a Lemsip and then I'm going to try Googling for plug manufacturer's catalogues whilst sipping on the drink and feeling sorry for myself!
 
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Sorry to hear you have a cold, Jock.

Its a proper kill or cure remedy that I have, but I take the juice of 6 lemons at a time along with a BIG dollop of Manuka honey (not the cheap stuff from supermarket, but the very costly stuff from the likes of Neales Yard or Holland & Barrett) and eat a whole garlic bulb (obviously peeled, topped and tailed first) ...Yes I did say the whole bulb; not just a few cloves

Do that at least twice a day until symptoms subside - the side effect is you will stink of garlic and you can even smell it in your persoiration but it seems to hit a cold where it hurts and its gone very quickly
 
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Sorry to hear you have a cold, Jock.

Its a proper kill or cure remedy that I have, but I take the juice of 6 lemons at a time along with a BIG dollop of Manuka honey (not the cheap stuff from supermarket, but the very costly stuff from the likes of Neales Yard or Holland & Barrett) and eat a whole garlic bulb (obviously peeled, topped and tailed first) ...Yes I did say the whole bulb; not just a few cloves

Do that at least twice a day until symptoms subside - the side effect is you will stink of garlic and you can even smell it in your persoiration but it seems to hit a cold where it hurts and its gone very quickly
With my sister in law living in Cyprus for so many years we've spent many happy holidays both there and on the Greek mainland and islands. Where we became aware of the medicinal efficacy of honey. Mrs J absolutely can't stand the taste of whisky but will take a "Hot Toddy" when she has a bad cold. Hot Toddy = a shot of whisky (some say the more the better), a good dollop of honey, a spoonful of sugar and some lemon juice all melted together with some very hot water. It's an old remedy which I've been aware of for as long as I can remember. Suitable for all ages if you don't go too heavy on the whisky!
 
if you don't go too heavy on the whisky!


Splutter splutter.. "Too heavy man! What are you talking about!" My Dad used to have a large whisky followed by two or three more at the first sign of a sniffle and it seemed to work for him. Trouble is I found I didn't like the first one at all, and I didn't like the second one much, I thought the third one had a pleasant after taste, I quite like the fourth one... Now I enjoy tasting different single malts and while I don't drink a lot enjoy a small tipple now and again. It does work if you can get it down you early in the process. Its cheaper than cold remedies taken in moderation.
 
Personally I've always enjoyed it neat with ice. Sacrilege I know but I like the ice cold to start then let it warm and suffuse in your mouth before finally swallowing in tiny little dribbles.

Many years ago, My daughter, now grown with her own family, had a bad time with teething. I would dip the knuckle of my little finger in the whisky and she would suck for ages on it. Probably dulled the pain I suppose? To this day she quite enjoys a wee dram. Brings back very pleasant memories of sitting cradling her in the crook of my left arm whilst she sucked contentedly on my little finger's knuckle.
 
I can't help with the spark plugs :(

But I cannot abide whiskey with water like my father drank it! I like single malt and always try different ones... always neat. Can be deeply chilled, I dont mind that.

One of my favourite places in Scotland was Pitlochry; I tried loads of different local samples there - would love to revisit the place some day.
Happy days.

I just missed the end of it but Whiskey Galore was on TV the 2016 version. I loved the original though.

Nope - no gen on spark plugs still :(
 
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Just to get back to the original point of this thread though, anyone want to talk about spark plugs?

Quite simply, early engines had 14mm plugs, BKR5EZ, and later ones, (changed late 2005 I think, as mine has the later ones) are 12mm, DCPR7E-N-10.
The 12mm were used on the 60hp from around eand '05, and continued on the 70hp.

I downloaded the NGK catalogue a long time ago, it is dated 2015, but can't find the link now. Their website has an online lookup, but the catalogue download appears currently broken.
https://www.ngkpartfinder.co.uk/catalogues/cars/search/spark-plugs/
 

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But I cannot abide whiskey with water like my father drank it! I like single malt and always try different ones... always neat. Can be deeply chilled, I dont mind that.

One of my favourite places in Scotland was Pitlochry; I tried loads of different local samples there - would love to revisit the place some day.
Happy days.

I just missed the end of it but Whiskey Galore was on TV the 2016 version. I loved the original though.

Everyone likes it differently Max. I think there's a lot of "snobbery" and being seen to do the "right thing" surrounding the drinking of "a wee dram" or taking "the water of life". Many say you should add water: https://scotchwhisky.com/magazine/features/7833/adding-water-to-whisky/ and, if you drink it often I suspect it's kinder on your body to do so, but I like it with the ice and then letting it lie in my mouth until it fully warms up and releases all the flavours as it does so. Unfortunately I had a big abdominal op some years ago so can now only indulge on very special occasions in small doses!

When I was a young boy my father loved his whisky - Aged probably 6 or 7 years old, Johnnie Walker was the first taste I ever had of it, pinched from his bottle which was on a shelf high up in the pantry. I thought it was disgusting and made some Ribena to chase the taste away! - Now a days, personally I like the lighter Speyside malts with, just occasionally an Islay malt for it's intense flavour - but I'll not turn down a "stranger" if offered.

My older boy and my daughter were very active swimmers, both representing Scotland in international competition. Training to this level is very demanding and, when they were younger club swimmers, we were very involved in transporting and supporting them to training and competitions. Our parents/supporters club organized social events for us and we went on a number of distillery visits. They were always popular and well supported! One of the most memorable was to the Glenturret distillery in Perthshire. https://www.visitscotland.com/info/see-do/the-glenturret-distillery-p2153061 At the conclusion of the walking tour round the facility we were invited to sample tray after tray of their different blends. Memories of the journey home are pretty vague!

Thanks for mentioning the film. I've seen the original 1949 film many times - actually showed it at our school cinema (I ran the school cinema on a Saturday evening after all the ACF afternoon activities were over) My Saturdays were very busy! But I've never seen the 2016 film - I really must make a point of doing that. If you've seen the older film as well, How would you rate them? is the newer film a disappointment - I find so many remakes are.

Regards
Jock
 
Quite simply, early engines had 14mm plugs, BKR5EZ, and later ones, (changed late 2005 I think, as mine has the later ones) are 12mm, DCPR7E-N-10.
The 12mm were used on the 60hp from around eand '05, and continued on the 70hp.

I downloaded the NGK catalogue a long time ago, it is dated 2015, but can't find the link now. Their website has an online lookup, but the catalogue download appears currently broken.
https://www.ngkpartfinder.co.uk/catalogues/cars/search/spark-plugs/
Thanks very much PB. That's exactly what I wanted. I'm looking at the S4p offerings which for the Mk3 Panda (year 09 to 12) they show to be: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...anda_III_(09_to_12)_1.2_8v_Spark_&_Glow_Plugs However the 69Hp engine came in mid way between those dates and mine is the earlier 60Hp engine so I looked also at their recommendations for the earlier (year 04 to 09) as that also uses the 60Hp engine. Interestingly they show an alternative and cheaper Cuprum branded product: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...Panda_II_(04_to_09)_1.2_8v_Spark_&_Glow_Plugs Which I think is actually made by NGK?

I'm going to give the Mick/Mike/s a ring and ask their opinion - and ask about the gasket availability for the thermostat at the same time. Then I can get on with ordering the service kits for the Punto and Panda.
Best wishes
Jock
 
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My eldest had colic and the standard gripe water was frankly useless. My mother-in-law had a rummage around and found a bottle of the stuff she had used. It contained a drop of alcohol (oh how horrid) but it worked a treat and our little girl was able to sleep.
 
By the way it’s WHISKY no E :D From a very early age, and I mean primary school I loved the smell alone. Obviously not everyone’s taste, but I love the whisky. So many choices. As the saying goes, no such thing as a bad whisky, it’s just that some are better than others. :yum:

Oh yes the spark plugs Jock, I’ll leave that for some other bright spark.:)
 
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