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Up and on the go early today so we could drive out of town and pick up granddaughter who goes to dancing classes on a Sunday morning. There's no facility for staying to observe so we went to Tesco for a few bits and bobs.

Parked next to a scruffy unloved looking new type Panda. (quartic styling type) and couldn't help thinking how much nicer I think the 169 model looks. The car in question was very memorable as it was black and heavily signwritten in white lettering. Anyway, apart from thinking how scruffy it looked and thinking how much more I like the look of Becky, I paid it very little additional attention.

We picked up our excited young granddaughter from dancing, took her home and stayed around for a cup of tea and a chat with our daughter in law as my boy works a Sunday shift. On our way back into town, as several cars in front of us peeled off at a roundabout, we found ourselves behind that black, signwritten, Panda from the supermarket. We followed it for several miles and right away you could see the back axle was crabbing, very noticeably, to the right (ie, it was kicking the rear of the car towards the centreline of the road). I moved around a bit behind him - driving nearer the kerb then nearer the centreline. Sighting along the N/S rear wheel you could see the rear wheel was exposing almost all of the tread on the front tyre. Sighting along the O/S revealed no sight of the front tyre at all! Sitting squarely behind it and the crabbing effect was very noticeable.

Must have been accident damaged I think. I know people have commented that the tolerances on our rear axles are a little "loose" but I can't imagine that even the most poorly made axle could be so far out as to give a result like this? Even Mrs Jock could see it!

Wonder if the MOT man will pick it up at it's next inspection?
 
Up and on the go early today so we could drive out of town and pick up granddaughter who goes to dancing classes on a Sunday morning. There's no facility for staying to observe so we went to Tesco for a few bits and bobs.

Parked next to a scruffy unloved looking new type Panda. (quartic styling type) and couldn't help thinking how much nicer I think the 169 model looks. The car in question was very memorable as it was black and heavily signwritten in white lettering. Anyway, apart from thinking how scruffy it looked and thinking how much more I like the look of Becky, I paid it very little additional attention.

We picked up our excited young granddaughter from dancing, took her home and stayed around for a cup of tea and a chat with our daughter in law as my boy works a Sunday shift. On our way back into town, as several cars in front of us peeled off at a roundabout, we found ourselves behind that black, signwritten, Panda from the supermarket. We followed it for several miles and right away you could see the back axle was crabbing, very noticeably, to the right (ie, it was kicking the rear of the car towards the centreline of the road). I moved around a bit behind him - driving nearer the kerb then nearer the centreline. Sighting along the N/S rear wheel you could see the rear wheel was exposing almost all of the tread on the front tyre. Sighting along the O/S revealed no sight of the front tyre at all! Sitting squarely behind it and the crabbing effect was very noticeable.

Must have been accident damaged I think. I know people have commented that the tolerances on our rear axles are a little "loose" but I can't imagine that even the most poorly made axle could be so far out as to give a result like this? Even Mrs Jock could see it!

Wonder if the MOT man will pick it up at it's next inspection?

It never fails to amaze me how many crabbers there are around. It seems the boys in blue are not very interested and I cannot imagine how the thing has an MOT. I hope it doesn't get another one as cars like this, and vans... are dangerous. You wonder what horrors lurk there!
 
Some Pandas (and 500) can struggle with axle alignment. The rear hubs can be shimmed if necessary though that wont be any help if it's properly bent. The one in question must have had a heavy clout.
 
It never fails to amaze me how many crabbers there are around. It seems the boys in blue are not very interested and I cannot imagine how the thing has an MOT. I hope it doesn't get another one as cars like this, and vans... are dangerous. You wonder what horrors lurk there!
Probably as there nothing illegal about it
Nor it there anything really testable on the mot the they could fail the car on
Assuming wheels arnt sticking too far out the arch and suspension is corectly located ect
There a of things the mot test doesn't cover that it could do with checking for me anyway
 
We can thank the dirty diesels for exposing pm 2.5 particulate emissions from tyres and brakes. We all have to breathe so tyre scrubbing from crabbing and poorly aligned chassis should be part of the MOT test.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-n...t-particulate-pollution-from-brakes-and-tyres

Funnily enough though, long life tyres are worse for micro particulates than softer faster wearing tyres. The latter release larger particles which more quickly drop out of the air.

Brakes may have to become fully secondary to the regenarative braking delivered by drive motor(s).
 
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Have a look at this one that came up on Facebook recently
 

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There are so many Regulations and conditions that apply to roadworthiness that any half trained Police officer could see this vehicle - the van in the photo - off the road without a trace of effort. Would anyone seriously expect any insurance company to accept a vehicle crabbing is in reasonable condition, as constructed and pay out in this condition in the event of an accident. If not its uninsured and therefore committing another offence that could lead to the crusher.

There are so many areas on the MOT relating to stability of vehicle and load
under steering, handling, braking that could fail a vehicle like this I cannot count them. Any MOT tester knowingly allowing a vehicle that clearly cannot drive as intended to pass its MOT is not trying.

Under Health and Safety even the most superficial assessment of risk would deem such a vehicle to have highly questionable safety and fitness for use. Work Equipment Regulations cover this completely. I would have had such vehicles off the road so fast you would not believe it when employed in that field as the penalty for using such a defective machine at work could be an unlimited fine and in the event of an accident any company condoning use of such a vehicle would be liable to some heavyweight penalties for negligence. HSE works with Customs and Excise on occasion to bankrupt either organisations or individuals that see fit to flout safety rules if all else fails.

I shall continue to report such aberrations to relevant authorities and urge you all to do the same. Impaired drivers are no more an issue than clearly un-roadworthy vehicles and they should and often do get the same level of attention.
 
Plus one for that. However getting a reg number noted while driving can be difficult and illegal if it means using a smartphone camera. So I imagine most people don't bother.

The police do watch the traffic. I got stopped recently on the way to an MoT - because I had no MoT. No worries, but it shows the lads do their jobs.
 
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