Oooops - I told you so!

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Oooops - I told you so!

Hardly surprising
I still say hydrogen fuel cells are the greaner option certainly for the manufacturing stage far less battery capacity needed
It's just the refining and compression of the gas that uses a lot of power

If we ever get fusion to a commercial scale it will be better
 
Scientists warn of “huge implications for our natural resources” as government pushes for rapid adoption of electric cars

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-n...ll-require-twice-the-world-s-supply-of-cobalt

A lot of things that are supposed to be environmentally good or improvements are not really much better. This is a classic case of the government throwing out what amounts to propaganda.

We must, however change and change fast. Unfortunatley technology is not keeping up at present.

I have no doubt however that the impetus this policy will provide will speed things up. Hydrogen seems to me the way to go with fuel cells but still too little progress.

Lest all hope that change does come in time for our children and future generations.
 
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Unfortunately technology is not keeping up at present.

Well I guess this was and always will be the case. There are never wonder miracles that leap out to save us/the day. Instead we have relatively slow but steady progress forward with the occasional short term increase in pace.

It is also often a case of initially one step forward and two backwards. An example of this would be the very first wind turbine technology. The initial generation of energy was a bonus in terms of it can be done but due to the technology then and those massive concrete bases and towers the wind turbines were actually net users of energy and not net producers. That was because of the huge energy costs in creating the concrete required and not brilliant efficiency.

Today however with much improved blades, gearboxes, generators, less use of concrete have changed the equation balance.

In 2019 a wind turbine may cost around $1 million per megawatt. Certainly not a cheap investment.

I found this article a nice read and educational.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine
 
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Well I guess this was and always will be the case. There are never wonder miracles that leap out to save us/the day. Instead we have relatively slow but steady progress forward with the occasional short term increase in pace.

The one thing that seems to speed along technology is a nice war. I'm sure we're due one of those by now :chin:
 
As said no surprises here. Another no surprise is the fact that the government are putting on an unrealistic timescale regarding E cars that, in real time will not happen. One thing putting words on paper, totally another in coming up with the goods so to speak, Captain obvious would agree as well...:D
 
You get nothing for nothing.

Diesel for cars was promoted to lower CO emissions but nobody wanted to look at the side effects of increased NOX and particulate pollution. (school boy errors made by dimwit politicians looking at short term situations to gain green/political advantage).

Many earth materials/elements come from potentially poorer countries where labour is cheap and exploitable. So are we exploiting and killing people to pay for Greta Thunberg's world wide tour for x.y.z.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for improving our world society as a whole but pollution, so called climate change, people exploitation, poverty, health are all ingredients in the same pot and one has to be very very careful before you make a move on any so called pollution/climate change/other....... and supposedly potential or wonder fixes.

Have said it before, scientific fact, energy can be neither created or destroyed. Energy can only be converted from one form to another AND no conversion process is 100% efficient so we are already on a net energy cycle loss where that loss produces by products such as Sound, Light, Heat and POLLUTION (unwanted contaminants/by products that need to be later cleaned up at more cost).

But try we must and try we will but there is no short term fix.

A reason some manufacturer's are not pushing forward on EVs is the battery technology. There are several out there but no clear winner. No manufacturer wants to back the wrong battery technology. We have seen this before with the Betamax and VHS recorders. Betamax was technically superior to VHS but VHS won.

You could create the perfect battery for EVs but it could be way too expensive, or use too many precious rare earth elements compared to a cheaper less efficient and less capacity battery that proves to be more sustainable in the long term. This is exactly why these things can not be rushed.
 
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The big motor manufacturers would be perfectly happy if battery electric cars went away. For ever ideally. They have huge assets and pension funds all tied up with engine manufacturing and no expertise on motors and batteries.

Tesla are gradually removing cobalt from their batteries but it's unlikely Panasonic or LG Chem are bothering so much. Cobalt is expensive and politically volatile so everyone is better off not using the stuff.
Lithium is no problems as its only about 2% of the battery. The electrodes are carbon and nickel.

If Tesla continue as they have to date, they will clean up because nobody else comes close to their tech or low costs per cell. If they fail, Big Auto will laugh their socks off.
 
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