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Peugeot Fiat

Just announced on the radio, Fiat are to merge with Peugeot.... who now also own Vauxhall....

Will this mean a stripping of Fiatís Italian flair. Will all future Fiatís be boring Peugeot clones with a different badge... will it spell the end of the fiat brand as Peugeot reduce the number of fiat cars in favour of alfa and Maserati?

I donít believe this is a good thing, but then again was fiat facing a very difficult future without the development of modern tech as they currently have no mass market hybrid or electric drive train.

The other question is could it mean a revival for brands like Lancia, remembering that Europe is still full of Lancias and Peugeot has problems selling big luxury cars having a brand like Lancia to go head to head with the likes of bmw or mercedes might be a good move. The French after all are quite good at making luxurious cars.
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Re: Peugeot Fiat

This is only 'negotiations'

They have been 'collaborating' with vans and mpv's since @2000.


Yes they have viable hybrid tech.

But no great market outside of Europe.

They would be buying into a group with manufacturimg plants throughout the Americas.
(There is even a Maserati production line..)

Have to agree that it will probably mean a major shake.up.

Could be shared UK dealerships.. oh hang on.

My punto warranty work was attempted by a bloke with 'chevrons' on his overalls..
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This is only 'negotiations'
Nope, itís now agreed, Peugeot and Fiat are to merge.

Vauxhall fears after car giants Fiat and PSA announce merger https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50246329

I appreciate what your are saying, they collaborate and they have dealerships in the uk that share brands, however things will be very different if peugeot have the ability to tell fiat what they can and canít make.

It may mean a new Punto or new fiat 500 it may mean cheaper cars or it may be they shut up Fiatís operations as there is too much overlap with their current brands and line ups. Or they start sticking a fiat badge on the new corsa which already comes in an electric option.

I think Fiat will loose the essence of Ďfiatí
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I'm optimistic about this, Peugeot had a track record in the 80's and 90's of making some very cool small cars, and we know Fiat love a cool small car. Peugeot these days seem to be steering away from the small car market, so they may position Fiat in the city car segment, and focus on Punto/Tipo size cars for the Peugeot brand.
I'd be happy with that.
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As with all these things it depends on how they do it.

PSA seem reasonably successful in drawing lines between brands so far. You certainly couldn't get into a C3 and confuse it for the old 208 and there are some things that point to a degree of freedom within the marques themselves (e.g. new corsa has physical heating controls, Psa tend to have them on a screen).

However the chances of any engine or gearbox diversity is 0%, same would go for chassis where they tend to currently avoid overlap by setting it up at the far ends of the spectrum (DS Hard, Peugeot middle ground ,Citroen waterbed) and where the other marques fall into that if they want to occupy the same market.
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Hopefully, PSA have the sense to maintain the Fiat brand and character but I'm not optimistic. It took 30 years for them to appreciate the value of the Citroen brand.

But, like it or not, electric cars are on the way and when that happens the bottom will drop out of the engine (ICE) car market. When they know electrics are imminent, people will hold off buying a new ICE for a year or two and go straight to electric.

VW have to clear the cloud of their diesel scandal so have a very strong interest in going lekky.

Tesla, which is a battery company that also makes cars, has no ICE heritage to worry about and they are already well ahead. "Ordinary" brand electric cars are not yet doing what Tesla was up to in 2013 so there is a huge gap to fill.

Tesla also has a huge market lead so the likes of PSA need to extract digits ASAP. Ford, GM, Merc, are not even bothering themselves with such things. BMW have a few electric cars but they are not really trying to sell them.
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If PSA have any clue they'll let Fiat take care of the A-Segment.


The current PSA-A cars are awful, anybody with a fondness for Toyota would be totally ashamed by the Aygo variant.


Interior metal bodywork is a farce to me, the Italians would never let poor design like that prevail in this day and age, even if it was an iconic part of the 50's 500 - they replicated it tastefully using plastic thank god.


If PSA let Fiat do what they do best, and it benefits their A-segment cars in the future it can only be good IMO. Together, they are definitely the more stylish end of the continent and willing to make some funky looking car designs - that alone will be interesting to see unfold.
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The new Citroen (sorry) DS badged lekky car does not come out very well and Johnny is trying to be fair.
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I think it suffers from an issue that afflicts a lot of platform shares.

The underpinnings were designed to go under a 12 grand car, they are largely unchanged when placed under a 40 grand car. What is acceptable at one price point is not at the other.

No matter how much you quilt the leather or LED jewellery you fit it's still a cheap car dressed up.
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The new Citroen (sorry) DS badged lekky car does not come out very well and Johnny is trying to be fair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzqzZqSWRNs
That thing is a beauty. If and when I ever get to the point where I have that much money to burn on a car, I hope DS are truly building luxury cars then. I can see nwo it's dressed up cheap but if they can pull off what VAG has done with Audi and Skodas sharing platforms then they should be in luck profitably and reputation wise! The average consumer doesn't seem to care!
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Re: Peugeot Fiat

Lets face it, it's what Fiat needs. With exception of the 500 which is now an old platform that they've flogged to death they haven't had a really popular mainstream car since the Grande Punto .
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Lets face it, it's what Fiat needs. With exception of the 500 which is now an old platform that they've flogged to death they haven't had a really popular mainstream car since the Grande Punto .
The 500 was built on the 2003 panda platform, the latest 500L and 500x were built on the small wide platform which was derived from the Grande Punto. So in what youíre saying not only have they not had a popular mainstream car since the Grande, I think itís actually their newest platform.... 14+ years old.

Fiat need something new, they are so stale itís laughable. The future though is likely to be a load of rebadged Citroens and Peugeots.

If they did apply a VAG style hierarchy then itís highly likely Fiat, like Seat would be at the bottom. Which could very well mean very boring cars from Fiat in the future
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The 500 was built on the 2003 panda platform, the latest 500L and 500x were built on the small wide platform which was derived from the Grande Punto. So in what youíre saying not only have they not had a popular mainstream car since the Grande, I think itís actually their newest platform.... 14+ years old.



Fiat need something new, they are so stale itís laughable. The future though is likely to be a load of rebadged Citroens and Peugeots.



If they did apply a VAG style hierarchy then itís highly likely Fiat, like Seat would be at the bottom. Which could very well mean very boring cars from Fiat in the future


And itíd still have more style than a high end Audi ;-)
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Re: Peugeot Fiat

PSA seem to do the badge hierarchy thing backwards though.

Probably not intentionally but because of heavy parts sharing they tend to make sense at the cheap end.

We went from a DS3 to C3 which are both a PSA PF1 platforms.

I've made no secret of my hatred DS3 (partly due to the 1.6 d which I suspect is decent candidate for the worst mass market engine of all time) but mainly because the best part of the car was looking at it.

They didn't used to hide the cheap bits well enough in the interior and the driving experience was fairly similar to s light van. The overall effect ending up being a bit massive chandelier in a council flat.

We then through no choice of mine went to a C3 and it's a decent car for the money, the DS3 with 2 options was over 17k (2014 prices they've gone up a lot) and was only a mid spec car, C3 came in top spec for 14 (2017).

At that price point it makes more sense, it's still not the best car ever made but when a similarly fast and well equipped Polo or Fiesta would struggle to be under 20k it seems a fair trade. It's even been reliable
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Not very often I agree with SB1500, but knowing that they're basically the same platforms underneath, I'd much rather be seen in a SEAT or Skoda than a VW or Audi. It'll be the same when this merger starts to produce platform shared models, I'd much rather be seen in a FIAT than a Citroen/Peugeot.
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