https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey/

Of course these sorts of surveys are based on user data which is not always that reliable but look at the strange disparity between the VW Up and Skoda Citigo. What's going on there? There are a fair few other odd results too. The Japanese, are mostly near the top of the pile - Mazda and Nissan are letting the side down a bit.

JCarp16 said:

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey/
The Japanese, are mostly near the top of the pile - Mazda and Nissan are letting the side down a bit.

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Nissan use Renault bits..including electrics. And well the disparity between reliability ratings between petrol 3s 82% and older gen 2 diesel 58% speaks for itself. The gen 2 diesel used the PSA 1560cc diesel. On the mazda 3 forums fault threads on diesels outnumber petrols about 10-1.. also the 2.2 isn't bullet proof either.

The Fiat 500x is not doing the fiat stable any favours.... Ouch 32% reliability !

It is weird that two cars essentially the same can have such a different result.

There is a fair difference between the panda and the 500 despite them being very closely related

AndyRKett said:

The Fiat 500x is not doing the fiat stable any favours.... Ouch 32% reliability !

It is weird that two cars essentially the same can have such a different result.

There is a fair difference between the panda and the 500 despite them being very closely related

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Yes. I thought that about the Up and Citigo. I put it down to the fact that Ups are generally specced higher. For example our Citigo has a basic radio and CD player with AUX - very old fashioned now but nothing much to go wrong
Bit like the system in our Panda.
The 500X seems to have had a lot of issues with the in-car entertainment/sat nav unit. Not sure if it's the U-connect system like you get on Jeeps.

Range Rover - oh dear!!

Rangerovers are traditionally bad, I once spoke to a guy who had always owned a Range Rover who was quite proud in telling me all the countries he had broken down in all over Europe.

With the UP they may use a more complicated gearbox as that seems to be a weak point, maybe the curse of the DSG, where as the Citigo has an older designed gearbox which has proven its self over many years.

Generally with VAG group cars, the Audis get all the new and expensive toys meaning they break down more often, then these toys once tested filter down to Volkswagen then Skoda and apparently Seat is at the bottom of the pile making them more reliable.

I considered buying an A4 or A6 estate as a weekend car to load up for shopping and trips to the dump and was advised against it as they have an extra balance shaft that no other Vag car has which often goes wrong and knackers the engine.

I never give any credence to surveys like this, especially when they can list the same car as both 9th of 28 and 24th of 28 !
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I never give any credence to surveys like this, especially when they can list the same car as both 9th of 28 and 24th of 28 !
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I think the reliability indices based on real data (actual warranty claims made by consumers who have taken out extended warranties) are more meaningful and usable. This is especially true if you're buying used. However the Japanese marques seem to perform well in both types of survey, so they must be getting something right. I wouldn't choose a car based on one of these surveys, put it that way.

Errrrr, hang on...

The only Alfa they looked at was under "Family Cars"...
10 Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010-present) 82.6%

Anyone know how they get an "average" of 85.8% from 1 number..?

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dombooth said:

Errrrr, hang on...

The only Alfa they looked at was under "Family Cars"...
10 Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010-present) 82.6%

Anyone know how they get an "average" of 85.8% from 1 number..?

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It’s the best and worst cars in each category, I’m guessing therefore that there is a lot that’s not showing

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These surveys are, IMHO, useless.
They can also be very easily manipulated.
It is a well known fact that e.g. ADAC surveys are nothing but a marketing tool of German car/tire manufacturers.
I remember the scandal connected to some sort of Dacia (Logan?). Basically, what they did was that they fitted the car with worn tires and did all they could to roll it over during a moose test, then issued a burning judgement. Only after Renault threatened a legal action, they repeated the test with very different results.
Go figure.