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Right now we need Westminster to calm down on both sides and just get on with the job in hand!
Couldn't agree more. All acting like petulant children. Need a slap, cup of tea and a crumpet and told to get the f*** on with the job in hand .
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The low turnout by the 18-25s seems to have been overlooked when it is easier just to blame "old people" who voted as they did not out of any motivation to hurt the young. In fact the opposite is true in that they believe they are protecting our country from further Euro integration.
I must admit to feeling very let down by Boris though. Seems he doesn't have the stomach for the fight. Right now we need Westminster to calm down on both sides and just get on with the job in hand!
Boris has had a talking to from the the powers that be in the party I suspect. It's obvious by the tone of the country (for me anyway) that although he's not as daft as he looks & he plays the political game, he just wouldn't suit stepping into the PM's shoes. I reckon he's a long hard think & a look around & came to the conclusion that this is in the interest of the party.

As for the young vote, although nowadays the young team are pretty well informed/on the ball regarding political matters, I've witnessed this trend of not bothering to use their vote for a number of years now by some.

Just remembered his name...Russell Brand, remember when he stuck his nose in, regarding the young vote. I'm sure there were some who saw through his nonsense advertising ploy, but some were easily led.
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Boris is a very clever bloke, and he has a good sense of humour and a great personality which is pretty much unique in political terms. But he always needs some more solid performers around him to get the details sorted. Russell Brand - where to start? To think that on this centenary day of the Somme that all those boys died so that people like Brand can have the freedom to speak his nonsense to anybody daft enough to listen. He is an unfunny dangerous hypocrite. Goodness knows what Katy Perry was thinking!
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i think Boris going and his mate stepping in are a plan by both out them, Boris wont get the respect he needs from the eu or his own party, so he has got his mate to step in but will get to be deputy or another good job if he wins
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Well if the papers are to be believed gove screwed Boris over by telling him he wouldn't support his bid to be PM, to be honest it seems like there is lots of political positioning going on, Boris had a huge amount of support form the party and public, but doesn't want to be blamed for the fall out from the brexit and my not get the respect from the EU. So May will win and handle the negotiations. For the next election Boris will run and likely win, may will get a good position as will gove and this will allow them to defeat any risk from the Labour Party who seem to have completely fallen apart.

Eventually Boris is likely to be PM it's just now is not the right time for him, he can then pin the failures of anything to do with the Brexix on Cameron and May will survive as she was just picking up the pieces. Gove is there to put on a show at the moment
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Agree with the above. Getting the PM job now (which May I am sure will do) could be argued as a fantastic opportunity, or a totally poisoned chalice, depending on your point of view. As for Labour? Well a classic example of an academic argument about a democratic process being held higher than common sense. "Jeremy may not be a leader but he was elected by the membership to be leader, so he IS the leader". You couldn't make it up.
I keep hearing that he is "a decent man". If ao why doesn't he do the decent thing?
I reckon the hard left have him so much on a piece of string he doesn't know whether to have a sh*t, shave or a haircut, as they used to say in the trenches.
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anyone else regret voting leave? May's first announcement was enough for me to realise I was wrong.
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anyone else regret voting leave? May's first announcement was enough for me to realise I was wrong.
When May made her 1st announcement

I realised it was 'all wrong..'

Looking back to what was said 5 years ago.. nothing has really changed.
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Well 5 years later... Billions lost in time and effort and still billions more to go.

It's gone exactly as expected.
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Weíve been lied to, in saying that there was always going to be winners and losers. The money wasted as said is nothing less than tragic. The EU did not want to play ball because they didnít want to loose the UK. What started off years ago as a level playing field turned into a place where unelected members, who I may add pay themselves handsomely with some jobs gained by nepotism and not needed in the first place.

Brussels refuses to play fair though, so much red unwanted tape. Itís so politically motivated now. The vaccine nonsense with the EU says it all, trying to bully the UK. They hold two sets of cards when it suits them. There are countries in Europe who will miss out as well, not so much us leaving the EU, but they wonít be allowed to do business easily or simply with us, Brussels will see to that.
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Brussels refuses to play fair though, so much red unwanted tape. Itís so politically motivated now. The vaccine nonsense with the EU says it all, trying to bully the UK. They hold two sets of cards when it suits them. There are countries in Europe who will miss out as well, not so much us leaving the EU, but they wonít be allowed to do business easily or simply with us, Brussels will see to that.
I don't understand why anyone ever thought they'd play ball.

It was never in their interest to, it was always going to be a never ending **** show. Because if it was easy then they risk losing more members.. especially if Britain had been given terms better than members.

So as a none member we were going to be trading on worse terms by default always and it wasn't going to be easy.
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I don't understand why anyone ever thought they'd play ball.

It was never in their interest to, it was always going to be a never ending **** show. Because if it was easy then they risk losing more members.. especially if Britain had been given terms better than members.

So as a none member we were going to be trading on worse terms by default always and it wasn't going to be easy.
Well exactly. I remember back in 1971 when we joined, France did not want the UK in their club initially. De Gall used to call the English the moaners they heard them moaning in the plane when it touched down. Itís all history now.
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Weíve been lied to
Since the very first politician ever existed, we've been lied to, I don't know how or why anyone expected any different here
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Since the very first politician ever existed, we've been lied to, I don't know how or why anyone expected any different here
Just posting the obvious, letting off steam and all that. Like others Iím a trapped man at the moment...
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I tend to operate on the principle that if a Conservative member of Parliament or Prime minister wants it..

It's going to make me poorer and them richer..not that any party has covered themselves in glory of late. But fannying on with brexit while food Bank usage is at record levels did rather feel like absolute misdirection.
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