Agree with the above. Getting the PM job now (which May I am sure will do) could be argued as a fantastic opportunity, or a totally poisoned chalice, depending on your point of view. As for Labour? Well a classic example of an academic argument about a democratic process being held higher than common sense. "Jeremy may not be a leader but he was elected by the membership to be leader, so he IS the leader". You couldn't make it up.
I keep hearing that he is "a decent man". If ao why doesn't he do the decent thing?
I reckon the hard left have him so much on a piece of string he doesn't know whether to have a sh*t, shave or a haircut, as they used to say in the trenches.

anyone else regret voting leave? May's first announcement was enough for me to realise I was wrong.

dave said:

anyone else regret voting leave? May's first announcement was enough for me to realise I was wrong.

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When May made her 1st announcement

I realised it was 'all wrong..'

Looking back to what was said 5 years ago.. nothing has really changed.

Well 5 years later... Billions lost in time and effort and still billions more to go.

It's gone exactly as expected.

We’ve been lied to, in saying that there was always going to be winners and losers. The money wasted as said is nothing less than tragic. The EU did not want to play ball because they didn’t want to loose the UK. What started off years ago as a level playing field turned into a place where unelected members, who I may add pay themselves handsomely with some jobs gained by nepotism and not needed in the first place.

Brussels refuses to play fair though, so much red unwanted tape. It’s so politically motivated now. The vaccine nonsense with the EU says it all, trying to bully the UK. They hold two sets of cards when it suits them. There are countries in Europe who will miss out as well, not so much us leaving the EU, but they won’t be allowed to do business easily or simply with us, Brussels will see to that.

jimboy said:

Brussels refuses to play fair though, so much red unwanted tape. It’s so politically motivated now. The vaccine nonsense with the EU says it all, trying to bully the UK. They hold two sets of cards when it suits them. There are countries in Europe who will miss out as well, not so much us leaving the EU, but they won’t be allowed to do business easily or simply with us, Brussels will see to that.

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I don't understand why anyone ever thought they'd play ball.

It was never in their interest to, it was always going to be a never ending **** show. Because if it was easy then they risk losing more members.. especially if Britain had been given terms better than members.

So as a none member we were going to be trading on worse terms by default always and it wasn't going to be easy.

StevenRB45 said:

I don't understand why anyone ever thought they'd play ball.

It was never in their interest to, it was always going to be a never ending **** show. Because if it was easy then they risk losing more members.. especially if Britain had been given terms better than members.

So as a none member we were going to be trading on worse terms by default always and it wasn't going to be easy.

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Well exactly. I remember back in 1971 when we joined, France did not want the UK in their club initially. De Gall used to call the English the moaners they heard them moaning in the plane when it touched down. It’s all history now.

jimboy said:

We’ve been lied to

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Since the very first politician ever existed, we've been lied to, I don't know how or why anyone expected any different here

Eklipze3k said:

Since the very first politician ever existed, we've been lied to, I don't know how or why anyone expected any different here

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Just posting the obvious, letting off steam and all that. Like others I’m a trapped man at the moment...

I tend to operate on the principle that if a Conservative member of Parliament or Prime minister wants it..

It's going to make me poorer and them richer..not that any party has covered themselves in glory of late. But fannying on with brexit while food Bank usage is at record levels did rather feel like absolute misdirection.

dave said:

anyone else regret voting leave? May's first announcement was enough for me to realise I was wrong.

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Nope, not at all! This is an excellent opportunity for us. Hopefully, other countries will leave, and the eu will crumble.

puntofan01 said:

Nope, not at all! This is an excellent opportunity for us. Hopefully, other countries will leave, and the eu will crumble.

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We still need to trade with them I'm afraid, far more than whatever half arsed scheme Boris has dreamt up about joining the Pacific equivalent..

Wishing them ill is like standing on the deck of the Titanic laughing at the people in the water.

StevenRB45 said:

We still need to trade with them I'm afraid, far more than whatever half arsed scheme Boris has dreamt up about joining the Pacific equivalent..

Wishing them ill is like standing on the deck of the Titanic laughing at the people in the water.

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I agree we still need to trade with them, but hopefully we'll also be able to do more trade with the rest of the world than we could before.

And I disagree: it might be tough for a while, until companies are able to get themselves sorted, but in the long term, I think we're far better off out of the eu. I'm afraid I just can't agree with their policies.

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I'm afraid I just can't agree with their policies.

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Article 13 EU copyright law was the cherry on the cake. I don't know how anyone can take an establishment passing such a law uncontested and unmodified seriously.

There is nothing to stop UK implementing the same copyright rules or ignoring the EU version. The point is we now have the choice.

DaveMcT said:

There is nothing to stop UK implementing the same copyright rules or ignoring the EU version. The point is we now have the choice.

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The UK government did ignore it, but you're missing my point. My point was how could anyone trust such a large inept organisation that would think such a law was sustainable or a positive thing for the digital economy going forward?

ChrisUK said:

Article 13 EU copyright law was the cherry on the cake. I don't know how anyone can take an establishment passing such a law uncontested and unmodified seriously.

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I know nothing about the law you refer too, when was it passed into eu law?

jackwhoo said:

I know nothing about the law you refer too, when was it passed into eu law?

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I believe it became article 17 then became law at some point last year. Thankfully early on the UK said they would not adopt the rules which was a bonus for anyone who uses YouTube or other video sharing services. For a while almost every youtuber was posting an anti-article 13 video. I believe part of the reason it became article 17 was because of how much bad press it got under the 13 name, all that bad press didn’t stop the eu law makers passing it.

Well I've resisted so many times from posting in loads on places but do have some posts here on FF where Brexit is a topic.

What I would like to say/advise is that for/since Brexit vote I've been subscribed to the UK GOV Brexit daily Emails the point to everything from how UK citizens living in the EU can live/meet in Italy/France/... to advice to and requirements for what the UK business need to do. Add to this all the information on the International Trade deals etc. we as a country leaving/left the EU then it is clear to me there has been commitment, due process, INFORMATION and a shed load of other stuff that escapes many peoples eyes/views of where this whole leaving the EU decision and required processes and actions have been occurring and will continue to occur.

Example for 26 Feb.

Daily update from GOV.​UK for:
Brexit
Food and drink businesses: working with the EU

Page summary:
What you need to do as a food and drink business to work with the EU.

Change made:
To trade with the EU without paying tariffs all goods need to comply with the preferential Rules of Origin. A section has been added to link to the HMRC guidance.

Time updated:
10:46am, 26 February 2021
UK-Japan CEPA: final impact assessment

Page summary:
Economic assessment of the impact of the Agreement between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Japan for a Comprehensive Economic Partnership (the UK-Japan CEPA).

Change made:
Two statistically minor corrections have been made to pages 10 and 31 of the PDF document, and ‘Annex J: Notice On Corrections’ has been added on page 105. See Annex J for further information.

Time updated:
10:53am, 26 February 2021
Sending goods to the EU through roll on roll off ports or the Channel Tunnel

Page summary:
Find out what to do if you use roll on roll off locations or the Channel Tunnel to transport goods to the EU from the UK.

Change made:
The ‘Assumed Departure’ section has been added.

Time updated:
11:42am, 26 February 2021
EU business: importing from the UK

Page summary:
Find out what EU businesses need to do to import from the UK.

Change made:
Updated sections on wood packaging material, importing animals, importing animals, bringing food into the EU and transporting goods.

Time updated:
1:27pm, 26 February 2021
Participating in the UK Emissions Trading Scheme (UK ETS)

Page summary:
This guidance explains who the UK Emissions Trading Scheme (UK ETS) applies to and what is required of businesses that are covered.

Change made:
The calendar for UK ETS auctions in 2021 has been published by auction platform provider ICE. We have included a link to the calendar from this guidance.

Time updated:
1:32pm, 26 February 2021
Meeting British citizens across Italy

Page summary:
The British Embassy in Rome is holding meetings across Italy to update British citizens working and living in the country.

Change made:
Added a new outreach event: residency roadshow for UK nationals in Puglia

Time updated:
1:39pm, 26 February 2021
Living in Germany

Page summary:
Official information for UK nationals living in and moving to Germany, including guidance on residency, healthcare and driving.

Change made:
Coronavirus section updated with a link to guidance on vaccines

Time updated:
2:00pm, 26 February 2021
Importing or moving fish to the UK

Page summary:
How to import or move fish for human consumption to the UK.

Change made:
The page has been updated to include a summary of the phased approach that applies to imports from countries in the EU, EEA and EFTA. A section has been added to link to the HMRC guidance on the preferential Rules of Origin.

Time updated:
4:00pm, 26 February 2021
The UK sanctions list

Page summary:
Find out which individuals, entities and ships are designated or specified under regulations made under the Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Act 2018, and why

Change made:
A new listing under the Yemen regime and minor changes to 2 other designations.

Time updated:
4:16pm, 26 February 2021
EU business: exporting to the UK

Page summary:
Find out what EU businesses need to do to export to the UK.

Change made:
Updated sections on wood packaging material, exporting animals, exporting food and drink, exporting agri-food products and transporting goods from EU to the UK.

Time updated:
4:37pm, 26 February 2021
Financial sanctions, Yemen

Page summary:
Yemen is currently subject to UK financial sanctions. This document contains a current list of designated persons.

Change made:
Updated with ‘Latest HM Treasury Notice, 26/02/2021, Yemen’

Time updated:
4:53pm, 26 February 2021
EU business: taxes and tariffs

Page summary:
Find out more about taxes and tariffs for EU businesses trading with the UK.

Change made:
Updated the section on Paying VAT or claiming VAT refunds.

Time updated:
4:54pm, 26 February 2021
EU business: working in the UK

Page summary:
Find out what EU citizens need to do if they are working in the UK.

Change made:
Updated the section on business activity in the UK to include covid entry restrictions.

Time updated:
5:34pm, 26 February 2021
Scottish Seafood Exports Taskforce – second meeting update

Page summary:
Second meeting brings together key industry figures with ministerial and official representatives of the UK Government to help cut EU red tape.

Change made:
First published.

Time updated:
6:16pm, 26 February 2021

jackwhoo said:

I know nothing about the law you refer too, when was it passed into eu law?

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https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593