Volkswagen emissions scandal

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I once turned off the ASR/ESP/whatever it was called on a (also works) Peugeot 1007, just to see. I turned it back on pretty rapidly. It's incredible the basic chassis issues these modern systems can hide.


Give me a simple car with good chassis design any day.

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Big powerful rear wheel drive van?

No weight in the back?

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the TC kicked in.


Our LDV Convoy (that's a while ago...) would sit and spin it's wheels at the slightest hint of anything slippy unless it had a good load in the back. Once got stuck on the sill of a gate, a rail just a few inches wide.


More recently, the traction control on our works FWD Transit was a pain in the backside. It worked, in as much as it prevented wheelspin, effectively immobilising the vehicle as soon as there was snow on the ground. Fortunately, it had an off switch, or we'd never have got anywhere.


I once turned off the ASR/ESP/whatever it was called on a (also works) Peugeot 1007, just to see. I turned it back on pretty rapidly. It's incredible the basic chassis issues these modern systems can hide.


Give me a simple car with good chassis design any day.

These problems are usually heightened on commercial vehicles due to the super budget mega cheap, rock solid tyres that companies and fleet owners fit as standard, which offer no real grip but keep the company boss happy in saved costs.

The 1007 was a very horrible wobbly car due to its high centre of gravity and unnaturally heavy design because of the stupid doors.

There are plenty of cars out there that will drive very well with the stability systems turned off and are great fun to hoon around a track, but not quite so much fun if trying to drive a full load of shopping Home from the supermarket in cold wet conditions with spilled diesel and pot holes littering the roads.
 
There are plenty of cars out there that will drive very well with the stability systems turned off and are great fun to hoon around a track, but not quite so much fun if trying to drive a full load of shopping Home from the supermarket in cold wet conditions with spilled diesel and pot holes littering the roads.

In terms of your average car on an average day off and on are the same thing. Once you get to M-cars and AMG cars that want to have a tyre fire then I can entirely see how it would interfere. A sub 200bhp hatchback on the other hand it's basically there for "oh ****" moments.

We live in times of 90bhp corsas having 215 section, 168 mph rated, sticky high performance tyres. I absolutely toasted one over Hartside with all the assists on..it didn't activate once. It wouldn't need to, the car had entirely too much tyre to need to be reigned in. They basically exist for moment that either you do something daft, or are forced into something daft. Sure if I'd done the same thing on a cold wet day it would have taken a fit but my stupidity is not the systems fault..
 
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The 1007 was a very horrible wobbly car due to its high centre of gravity and unnaturally heavy design because of the stupid doors.

The 1007 was an utter pile of poo. As you say, the high centre of gravity due to the stupidly heavy doors (80kg, each, if I recall correctly), on an already tall vehicle, was a recipie for disaster.

It was also too narrow to sleep across the front seats, which wouldn't recline due to the presence of a cargo bulkhead.

After opening and closing the doors a few times with the engine off, they stopped functioning as the battery was getting too low.


Horrible, horrible car.


Having said all that, I reccomended it to my grandmother. For her, it would have been perfect. The only flaw was the lack of an auto box on the petrol.


As to tyres on vans, I agree, our bosses only caved in and fitted winter tyres after someone totalled a van in the Alps, where winter tyres were a legal requirement...
 
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For those who have Netflix there's an interesting series called dirty money...

Episode one..the actions of VW from the early 2010s onward in attempting to get out of this and what was required to get an admission out of VW.
 
Shame many other manufacturers do something quite like VW to get past emissions things such as shutting down emissions controls after 21 mins 1 Mon longer then the test
Only difference is they don't class these as illegal
 

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Only people who are completely ignorant think that it’s just VW that was cheating. If FCA got the penalties that VAG were given, then they’d be out of business in no time.

It's actually mentioned as part of the Netflix program. They put a pems machine on both a merc c200d and a bmw 320d...both managed to miss the numbers they'd been homolgated at by a margin of around 500mg of NOX per km..but for some reason Germany and the e.u. would like the issue to stop at vw..funny that no one really wants to shoot the golden goose just yet.

The fact that the rise in nox pollution has coincided with the rise of clean diesel is quite a large coincidence to ignore.
 
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It's actually mentioned as part of the Netflix program. They put a pems machine on both a merc c200d and a bmw 320d...both managed to miss the numbers they'd been homolgated at by a margin of around 500mg of NOX per km..but for some reason Germany and the e.u. would like the issue to stop at vw..funny that no one really wants to shoot the golden goose just yet.

The fact that the rise in nox pollution has coincided with the rise of clean diesel is quite a large coincidence to ignore.

Anecdotally I disagree. I loved here from Australia in 2006 and almost instantly my asthma flared up. As DPFs became more common my asthma has gotten better and better despite me getting more unfit as the years roll on.
 

Yeah the nox graphs stop in 2001..and were showing an uptick at that point having been falling year on year.

So not entirely showing what you want it to at least not in urban areas.

Actually it talks about 2010 in the future tense..so yeah not relevant at all.


Something written this decade..yes emissions overall are down but depending where you are air quality is actually below legal limits. For some of the very things associated with the cheating strategies employed. They do come from other places but there should be a lot less than there is if cheating was not common place.
https://theconversation.com/how-can-the-uk-government-meet-its-legal-air-pollution-targets-69577
 
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Yeah the nox graphs stop in 2001..and were showing an uptick at that point having been falling year on year.

So not entirely showing what you want it to at least not in urban areas.

Actually it talks about 2010 in the future tense..so yeah not relevant at all.


Something written this decade..yes emissions overall are down but depending where you are air quality is actually below legal limits. For some of the very things associated with the cheating strategies employed. They do come from other places but there should be a lot less than there is if cheating was not common place.
https://theconversation.com/how-can-the-uk-government-meet-its-legal-air-pollution-targets-69577

There are plenty of places that have the ability to generate a graph depending on what data you want, but these don’t seem to want to work on my iPad.

Essentially though as you’ve shown in your link, there is a consistent downward trend in emissions in all areas.

Even with the increase of diesel cars used by the general public, Diesel engines have gotten a lot cleaner.

“Legal limits” are something we impose on ourselves as a society. There have been significant reductions but it’s not enough because we say it’s not enough.
 
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