Touchy Topic: Fox hunting

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Touchy Topic: Fox hunting

Is it foxhunting right?

  • yes

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • no

    Votes: 30 62.5%
  • indifferent

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • Total voters
    48
luke1985 said:
Remember we all adults here and no need for personal insults or below the belt banter ;)

I quite agree. I believe in pest control. It is necessary.
 
sammiboo said:
i have said all that i needed to say on he other thread its a cruel and sickening sport!

But I don't support it as a sport. I support it as a form of pest control, and I did not appreciate some of the comments made. I accept that peoples POV may be different from mine, but there was no need for some of the comments made. No need at all.
 
chaos said:
But I don't support it as a sport. I support it as a form of pest control, and I did not appreciate some of the comments made. I accept that peoples POV may be different from mine, but there was no need for some of the comments made. No need at all.



The thing is wouldn't it be more humane just to shoot them? Not let them be ripped apart by a whole gang of dogs. :chin:
 
Well, I'm certainly not against pest control, the average fox is not the cuddly Basil Brush stereotype you see on TV, they are vicious predators that kill even when they aren't hungry, They are about as cute as a pitbull. Urban foxes kill cats, and rabbits, if they can get into the hutch. Having seen first hand what a fox will do to young lambs, the rose tinted glasses came off sharpish.

Hunting with dogs is a bit cruel, a date with Mr Shotgun is a better job.

Tearing about on horseback, is an enjoyable pastime, so the social side could be better served by drag hunting.
 
If the fox population needs to be kept down then yes, pest control is needed. But in that case use a method that actually works, like shooting them.

To call a load of ponced up people on horseback, a pack of dogs and loads of people on foot chasing ONE fox 'pest control' is ridiculous. They call it a 'sport', and it's barbaric, cruel and quite frankly totally inhumane and should have no place in modern times.

Besides, statistics show that something like 9 out of 10 foxes get away - only the old and young normally get caught. Hardly a very efficient method of pest control? Those statistics show that the foxes are clever and the hunters are stupid...

Fox hunting is something that should have been banned years ago along with badger baiting, hare coursing, stag hunting and otter hunting.

Why not set up a poll and see what the rest of the forum think?

Rant over... :mad:
 
It's not comething I would personally do but I'm a believer in choice and if others want to do it I am not going to stand in their way and say that they can't or shouldn't. I am very disappointed in our so-called government for reducing free choice in this and other areas of life, they'll be wanting us all wrapped in cotton wool next.
 
Helz said:
It's not comething I would personally do but I'm a believer in choice and if others want to do it I am not going to stand in their way and say that they can't or shouldn't. I am very disappointed in our so-called government for reducing free choice in this and other areas of life, they'll be wanting us all wrapped in cotton wool next.



I can uderstand that, the thing that concerns me is that I think people tend to use the term CULL as an excuse, my point is there are more humane ways to keep pests under control. ;)
 
Helz said:
It's not comething I would personally do but I'm a believer in choice and if others want to do it I am not going to stand in their way and say that they can't or shouldn't. I am very disappointed in our so-called government for reducing free choice in this and other areas of life, they'll be wanting us all wrapped in cotton wool next.

Erm, and if someone 'chose' to kick their dog or abuse their children or whatever, then they have a right to do so?

What about those Al Qaeda morons who choose to hate the western way of life and use bombs to make their point?

There are many things that people 'choose' to do, but that doesn't make it right for them to do it. Laws are often there to protect the weak or those that can't defend themselves, and in that case I have no problem with such laws.

At the end of the day torturing an animal is as bad as torturing a human. If we need pest control then do it properly and kill the animal instantly, not torturing it over the duration of a hunt.

Oh, and it's worth remembering that fox hunters normally chase the fox from it's den, normally using dogs like Jack Russells, to start the hunt. And before the hunt starts, they normally block up all the known dens in the hunt area so the fox can't run to ground. The idea being is to make the hunt last longer and give those the partake in it more 'sport'. That's hardly something I think can be classed as pest control, and definitely not something I think ANYONE should be allowed to 'choose' to do.
 
I can think of a good many things to worry about that are far more 'wrong' than fox hunting.
E.g. Preteens getting pregnant, sex offenders living amongst us, alcohol fuelled violence every single night, irresponsible driving causing death.

None of which are particularly cutesy or poster-worthy causes though, and certainly there are a lot of cruel or otherwise inhumane 'sports' and pastimes that don't get treated the same draconian way as fox hunting.

Fishing and greyhound racing, for example are not particularly savoury yet seem to escape persecution, perhaps in part because they are enjoyed, or seen to be enjoyed by the 'have-nots'.

I do rather support fox hunting, but I'm indifferent to whether or not it is 'right' - for who are we to decide that?
To a farmer who is beset by foxes I suspect it is right, but to animal-carey types it's not right at all. I wonder how they would feel if the fox weren't so darn cute.

What do we want? an end to rat traps.... when do we want it? erm, we don't... rats are mean looking.

Nope, in fact the biggest issue for me on this one is that 'generally' (and that means yes I am deliberately generalising, or using a perceived average) - generally whenever one sees a protestor against fox hunting they fail to mention the fox, but will happily chorus on end about a "load of poncy stuck up rich people out for jollies".... which always makes me feel that somehow it's the "well off" and the country set that they resent, not the fox dying.

Protesting is easy. Finding a viable, workable and useful alternative is difficult. Want to end fox hunting? Fine, but you'll remove an enjoyable and profitable event for an entire community - OK not your sort of party but then yours mightn't be theirs either.

I think what annoys me most about fox hunting is actually the protestors. Being positive is coming up with creative solutions. Shouting about how awful something is does not creative positives, only negatives.
I don't think negativity ever did much to be applauded.
 
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I completely disagree with it (n) Just a bunch of stuck up toffs using culling as an excuse to "enjoy themselves" :confused: I shot a bird when I was 13 ish and I regret it every time I think about it. Poor little sparrow :cry: If it was a pigeon i'd have no regrets because they are a pest, but I wouldn't tear it to bits and smile while i'm doing it :confused:
 
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