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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

I bought myself a Punto Mk2 HGT with dodgy clutch and no cam belt history and then (like a total plonker) used the car. Not the FIRE but a slightly less fussy version of the Alfa TS engines so parts were on the side of "HOW MUCH!!!"


Sure enough, the cam belt did what old cam belts do and I got to develop a close relationship with the engine's internals. It needed a full set of exhaust valves and at least one inlet valve. I replaced the lot - along with timing belt, water pump, tensioner, etc. It was still going fine 10,000 miles later so at least I'd not cracked a crankshaft bearing shell.

Something to laugh and cry about.
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Should've posted this yesterday: walking into town, and spotting a very early mk2 Renault Laguna. It hit me that they've been around for 18 years now!! It also served as a sad reminder of just how much car design has deteriorated in a relatively short space of time.
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Should've posted this yesterday: walking into town, and spotting a very early mk2 Renault Laguna. It hit me that they've been around for 18 years now!! It also served as a sad reminder of just how much car design has deteriorated in a relatively short space of time.
Had 2 estate versions of those. Brilliant car, saved me from myself a few times with great handling. However the 2 Renault dealers who I had the misfortune to work on them are best described as crooks.
To qualify that's compared to Toyota (seemed reluctant to take any money at all), Fiat (honest enough) Skoda (search but can't find common faults never before seen and charge you anyway) to Renault (never been in one where there was not a queue at service and at least one person questioning the bill) to Halfords, servicing a Daewoo under warranty, saying sure we can replace that rusty exhaust mount for free...
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Perturbed and amazed today.

Servicing my 2008 127,695 mile Alfa Mito 155 and finding the parts I took off (belts, tensioners and water pump) were all marked "8" or "08".

So the car with mismatched tyres, bodged exhaust and scratched rear screen where the wiper was bladeless probably hasn't had a service; ever!

So that's why I was perturbed. I'm amazed because the car is completely faultless. She runs perfectly, no metal flake in or other issues with the oil and even though the belts were old they looked to have plenty of life left in them. The cam'belt tensioner rattled like a maraca and the water pump had about 1.5mm play in the shaft. So I caught it all in time.

As if I need to remind everyone here just how good the FIRE and SuperFIRE engines are. My Mito is awesome.
A decade..or more ago.. I went to look at a Bravo.. 1.2.
Trade sale
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Correct on both fronts.

The rear looked like they had reversed into a post at @20mph..

Service history.. present .. both bits of paper.

Renault garage 40k

Halfords 80k

Now at 120k
The nearest it got to me driving it away was the screech from a bone.dry engine when I turned the key.
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Should've posted this yesterday: walking into town, and spotting a very early mk2 Renault Laguna. It hit me that they've been around for 18 years now!! It also served as a sad reminder of just how much car design has deteriorated in a relatively short space of time.
I remember having a lot of fun in a company 3.0 V6 back in the early 2000s

They where nice to look at well equipped and very comfortable, but I still would never buy one in a millions years, dunno why, there is just something about the feel of big French cars, that and they give me terrible sciatica
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I think what shocked me most was just how modern it still looked, surely 2 decades after the styling was signed off. I see a lot of very old cars that don't look old at all: the mk2 Volvo V70 has also aged incredibly well, likewise the E39 5-series.
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I think what shocked me most was just how modern it still looked, surely 2 decades after the styling was signed off. I see a lot of very old cars that don't look old at all: the mk2 Volvo V70 has also aged incredibly well, likewise the E39 5-series.
I have to disagree totally, the Laguna now is over 18 years old and really doesn’t look “modern” by any stretch of the imagination.

The mk2 Volvo v70 looks barely any different from a mk1 and again that’s not much of change from an 850, a slight change from the 740 and ultimately has its dna significantly influenced by a 240, there is nothing new about even the latest v70, the difference is no one buys a Volvo v70 for looks, you buy one because you can get a three piece suite and a family of 4 in it, two dogs and tow a caravan.

The E39 has not aged well at all, and given that it launched in the mid 90s it’s no surprise, They are old ugly and where never very pretty to begin with, you find all e39s still on U.K. roads driven by eu migrants who think they are a good car as they would be back home, where as U.K. buyers wouldn’t bother due to the ridiculous running costs and expense to keep them running. Modern looking by the standards of what it replaced but definately not now.
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The Volvo V70 was replaced 3 years ago - there isn't a V70 anymore, but a V60 and V90. Neither look like the older Volvos but the V60 does look like an 80% scale model of the V90.
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I have to disagree totally, the Laguna now is over 18 years old and really doesnít look ďmodernĒ by any stretch of the imagination.

The mk2 Volvo v70 looks barely any different from a mk1 and again thatís not much of change from an 850, a slight change from the 740 and ultimately has its dna significantly influenced by a 240, there is nothing new about even the latest v70, the difference is no one buys a Volvo v70 for looks, you buy one because you can get a three piece suite and a family of 4 in it, two dogs and tow a caravan.

The E39 has not aged well at all, and given that it launched in the mid 90s itís no surprise, They are old ugly and where never very pretty to begin with, you find all e39s still on U.K. roads driven by eu migrants who think they are a good car as they would be back home, where as U.K. buyers wouldnít bother due to the ridiculous running costs and expense to keep them running. Modern looking by the standards of what it replaced but definately not now.
I'm afraid I have to completely disagree. I think these days, a lot of cars hide their age pretty well, and they're far more aesthetically pleasing than their current counterparts.
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I'm afraid I have to completely disagree. I think these days, a lot of cars hide their age pretty well, and they're far more aesthetically pleasing than their current counterparts.
Aesthetics has nothing to do with ageing when it comes to cars. What you're actually saying is you like the look of those cars, it doesn't mean they haven't aged.

I love the look of the Bugatti Type 57 Doesn't mean anyone would make a car like that today.

A car can still have aged and be a nice looking car.

However the only thing that would turn my head with an old Laguna is the fact its still on the road and hasn't been scrapped, you literally don't see them anymore and the main reason for that is terrible reliability and electrics.

The BMW, wouldn't turn my head at all, its an old BMW, nothing wrong with a BMW but they have never been the best looking cars in the world (in my view) something like a Z1 or an E24 M6 might catch my attention but not an old exec saloon.

And the Volvo, literally nothing at all interesting or exciting about the design, totally function over form, would never say I would not buy one but at the same time would not buy it because it was a great looking car, I would buy it to transport large items of furniture or to move house.

I get you don't like modern cars or modern car design but "modern" car design is the key phrase here and non of these cars look "modern" now.
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It's a function of getting older...

A car doesn't look old because you remember it coming out and mentally you're still young!

When I was a child in the 80s and early 90s Old cars were on B, C and D plates and, actually only about 5-8 years old at the time but I remember looking at them as utterly decrepit (the fact everything in the 80s was 90% iron oxide by 5 years probably didn't help). My uncle had a brown Vauxhall Chevette on a Suffix V plate...I remember this car seeming ancient in 1988..in reality it was 8.

Quality has improved but my current car is nearly 8..and it never in a million years looks as old to me as that Chevette did back then. Part of that is because it still looks mostly like it left the factory...and it still works but the other part is 2011 doesn't feel long ago when as a child if someone said something was 8 years ago that was forever.

I'm sure my son will be similarly unforgiving of my 'ancient' wheels especially given the wife never has anything more than 3 years old if it sticks around.
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I'm not saying that cars like the 1s I mentioned look brand spanking new anymore, I just don't think they look like 20 year old designs, that's all. With regards to ageing in other aspects, they're still a comfortable means of getting around, plus these days, an old car can still be perfectly reliable. Personally, I'd trust my relatively simple 11 year old car far more than a current, guff filled model.
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My Parents had a green Renault Laguna estate and it was the childhood car I remember. Not sure the year, engine or spec but it had these two rear facing removable seats that went in the boot and me and my brother used to love it. Though looking back... how would that have done in a rear ender... hmm
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not being able to upload photos to the gallery due to some error that i have had for a few months..

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2 cm of snow..

No issues other than the 4 x Fails being out in force..

Lovely View of one that managed to leave the road in a 20 zone into a tree..ah physics..take something heavy..fit performance summer tyres..add a person who thinks that 4 x 4 means physics don't apply and a light dusting of snow. Sit back and watch the insurance claims rack up..
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