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Old 06-06-2015   #151
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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

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How have you figured that one out? The Rover 25 is a 3* rated N Cap and a MK2 Punto is 2* N Cap.

That would tell me the Rover is safer. And I would guarantee the Rover is also better built, better to drive and more reliable than a MK2 Punto.
As pointed out the mk2 was a 4 star car and a huge amount of advertising at the time was based around its safety rating. The 25 was indeed only 3 stars

Reliability wise don't be so sure rovers have a lot of problems, only the Diesel engined 25 was truely reliable, the petrol engines were no better and no worse than any fiat, the main issue is rover 25s are dwindling in numbers and with no new parts supply chain and not many in scrap yards getting parts outside of the normal service items is going to be more difficult.
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My mistake I looked at the MK1 Punto - checked without beer goggles this time!!!

The main problems for the 25 was classic head gasket issues. Underneath the 25 though is a lot of Honda engineering.
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The mk1 Punto scored a 2* NCAP rating, the mk2 Punto scored a 4* NCAP rating, and the Grande Punto scored 5*. I had originally wanted a mk1 Punto for my 1st car, but when I saw the NCAP result, I swiftly changed my mind! I also considered a Seicento, but after seeing the 1.5* rating, I lost my liking for them!
iirc they don't roll cars for ncap, ive seen a few mk1's on here after rolling and they are just dented and people in side walked away unharmed. n cap are a good guide but don't mean the car will be safer in every type of accident
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Underneath the 25 though is a lot of Honda engineering.
Yeah.... Honda engineering from the 80s rover basically carried bits from one model to the next never really making a new car but updating a look and bolting on bits that fitted.

By the time they went bust the whole thing had been bastardised so much there was very little Honda and a lot of British Leyland bodges. It was as much a Honda as it was a mini metro
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Yeah.... Honda engineering from the 80s rover basically carried bits from one model to the next never really making a new car but updating a look and bolting on bits that fitted.

By the time they went bust the whole thing had been bastardised so much there was very little Honda and a lot of British Leyland bodges. It was as much a Honda as it was a mini metro
I though the late 90s 200/25 was a pure Rover though, as was the 75?
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I though the late 90s 200/25 was a pure Rover though, as was the 75?
i thought the last pure rover was the P6
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i thought the last pure rover was the P6
I think the mk3 200/25 used rover engines, a solely rover body, a solely rover dashboard, the only part I'm unsure of is the platform.
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I though the late 90s 200/25 was a pure Rover though, as was the 75?

Platforms were carry overs from the Civic/Concerto days.
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Platforms were carry overs from the Civic/Concerto days.
What about the 75?
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The main problems for the 25 was classic head gasket issues. Underneath the 25 though is a lot of Honda engineering.

there are companies whose SOLE BUSINESS is Rover K series head gasket replacement.. I think that says it all,

also the 1.6 16V is hard work .. all rev's needed a decent VVT set-up
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What about the 75?

Contrary to what people believe the 75 was not based on a binned BMW 3 series FWD platform.

The 75 was an all new car when designed and launched. Rover had already started development of it before BMW took over.

When Rover were looking for a new Diesel engine they tried various engines, even the 1.9 multi jet found its way into a prototype, however the joint venture with Fiat was binned because Fiat wanted to much money for the units.

When BMW took over the rear suspension from the 3 series was adapted and put into the 75 as did the 2.0 diesel.
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Contrary to what people believe the 75 was not based on a binned BMW 3 series FWD platform.

The 75 was an all new car when designed and launched. Rover had already started development of it before BMW took over.

When Rover were looking for a new Diesel engine they tried various engines, even the 1.9 multi jet found its way into a prototype, however the joint venture with Fiat was binned because Fiat wanted to much money for the units.

When BMW took over the rear suspension from the 3 series was adapted and put into the 75 as did the 2.0 diesel.
I knew it wasn't a BMW platform, but was it rovers' own?

If memory serves correctly, I believe the BMW 2.0 diesel also found its way into the freelander.
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I knew it wasn't a BMW platform, but was it rovers' own?

If memory serves correctly, I believe the BMW 2.0 diesel also found its way into the freelander.

It had the old L series engine to begin with and then gained the BMW engine.

Just before Rover went under they had developed their own common rail L series engine that was quieter than the BMW engine.
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