For all of you who have recently bought a Twin air model to gain the benefit of exemption from Congestion Charge, it is likely to be switched off soon if we dont raise an issue.
There is a petition to try and stop this change in policy, and it can be signed on the linl below.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/35955

Please make your voice heard there, or anywhere else it will make a difference.

I feel it is totally unfair that having invested a significant sum in an environmentally friendly car, to gain the incentive of free congestion charge, they are now moving the goalposts!

What amazes me is that you're surprised . I can imagine how you feel, luckily I don't live anywhere near London and that's how I prefer to keep it .

i think its fair its is still causing Congestion, road tax should be higher too. public trasport in london is better than a lot of places get the bus or tube

there is no such thing as an environmentally friendly car, buy a horse

sgoody1 said:

For all of you who have recently bought a Twin air model to gain the benefit of exemption from Congestion Charge, it is likely to be switched off soon if we dont raise an issue.
There is a petition to try and stop this change in policy, and it can be signed on the linl below.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/35955

Please make your voice heard there, or anywhere else it will make a difference.

I feel it is totally unfair that having invested a significant sum in an environmentally friendly car, to gain the incentive of free congestion charge, they are now moving the goalposts!

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of course they are
the targets have been met.too many dont pay
so they move to a smaller demographic and push for more economical cars
this has been posted about for quite a while

The congestion area is tiny so although one of our cars is congestion charge free, and I travel to and from London a lot I've never had to drive in the congestion area. I can park for 24 hours for £20 (with £10-15 of diesel, its cheaper than any other method of getting to london) within tube zone two outside of the congestion charge zone and get the underground where ever I need or want to travel, better still most areas of London have free road side parking on weekends and week days after 6pm (the congestion charge is free after 6pm) so although I sympathise if you need to travel in and out of the zone daily there are alternative for the city with the most comprehensive public transport system in the world

its the same for Tax free cars
They still cause wear on the roads - so they still should pay to repair them

it'll only be a matter of time for that!

Target met = New targets

Ziggy

Oh dear, this again. I'm with others, use public transport. Always said if we lived in London, we'd have 1, maybe 2 cars between all 4 of us rather than one each, and even then would hardly get used.

Ziggy122 said:

its the same for Tax free cars
They still cause wear on the roads - so they still should pay to repair them

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Pah!!

we have two cars one costs £30 a year to 'tax' and the other is free, the road fund license isn't about fixing the roads its about making sure everyone is legal, you can't 'tax' a car without an MOT and insurance.

In the UK road fund licence only brings in £5.4billion where as the investment in the uk roads network is something like £14billion so every car driver would have to pay an addition £277 a year to match what it costs to repair the roads, if that's what car tax actually paid for!
I believe that would make your 1.2 petrol punto £427 a year to tax?

That said I expect these low rates for low polluters will be revised in due course, but the green incentive is here to stay and I would expect these raises to be seen across the board so no matter what car you have expect to pay more, and as car tax costs rise so do the costs of repairing the roads

Ziggy122 said:

its the same for Tax free cars
They still cause wear on the roads - so they still should pay to repair them

it'll only be a matter of time for that!

Target met = New targets

Ziggy

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what tax would that be?
cause its certainly not road tax paying for the roads

if they stopped giving out free/nearly free tax then they could use the money raised for roads, is the point

If I'm honest roads around my area are appalling and I think a small tax hike as we aim to bring emissions further down.
The whole under 100g/Km target has been met and now and I agree we should move the target lower.

dave said:

if they stopped giving out free/nearly free tax then they could use the money raised for roads, is the point

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is it?
So before these low/tax free cars,we had a massive investment in roads?
roads are maintained from local taxation in the main. Thats council tax for those that pay it.
so old granny Smith down the road who hasnt left the house in years pays into maintaining the roads.
road tax(if you wish to use the term) goes into the general kitty. its a tax on giving a car a legal right to be on the road,not payment towards the road.

but it shouldn't be is the point, roads need fixed, charge the free tax car, put it up for the others under paying , share that out to local road repair schemes

dave said:

if they stopped giving out free/nearly free tax then they could use the money raised for roads, is the point

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would be fair if the car tax actually took into account the use that each car makes of the roads, i tax my car @£30 a year and drive 200,000 miles you tax your car at £30 a year and do 5000 miles who did the most damage to the roads and who is paying their fair share?

And that is exactly why car tax/road fund license isn't about fixing the roads!

Fuel duty is a more appropriate way to raise money to fix the roads it raises £24billion a year way more than is needed to repair the roads
This is also fair based on how much you use the roads, do more miles - do more damage - use more fuel - spend more on tax so rather than bitching about who pays/or doesn't pay, what in car tax. we should be collectively campaigning for the governmental to make available more money from the central pot for maintaining the roads.

dave said:

but it shouldn't be is the point, roads need fixed, charge the free tax car, put it up for the others under paying , share that out to local road repair schemes

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share what out?
there is no local road repair scheme
it comes out of council budgets
so this money you are now giving to the councils,where is the money coming from to replace the money for the central fund?

custard said:

share what out? the new money from the tax charge
there is no local road repair scheme yes we need money to create them, some councils aint bothering to fix road
it comes out of council budgets
so this money you are now giving to the councils,where is the money coming from to replace the money for the central fund? the new road tax fees

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so you only want to use the money from low tax class cars?
on that you want to create a new taxation system to ring fence money for transport infrastructure?

dave said:

share what out? the new money from the tax charge
there is no local road repair scheme yes we need money to create them, some councils aint bothering to fix road

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Council tax pays for local roads non of the money paid in car tax/road fund license goes to local councils so increasing the cost of car tax; no matter what anyone pays in car tax, is going to have any effect on the upkeep of local roads this is what custard is saying.

the Highways agency is funded out of the central pot and they maintain the strategic road network (motorways) and the pot hole problems don't exists in the same way you're talking about as having cars hitting pot holes at 70mph is a recipe for accidents.

No argument for increasing anyone's Car Tax is going to improve the roads unless...

you completely overhaul the system so car tax only pays for road repairs in which case everyone will have to pay £277 a year extra which still isn't fair as I've mentioned above

custard said:

so you only want to use the money from low tax class cars?
on that you want to create a new taxation system to ring fence money for transport infrastructure?

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its not fair they get free tax based on lies so why not,

Who are 'they'? You mean people buying cars that meet the governments standards for £0 duty?
Well that is open to all.its down to the Dvla to set those standards/criteria.I suggest you approach your Mp with your concerns on the data used.