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Does anybody work in security?

I am thinking no but worth a try. I am looking for *free* advice about security. If nobody replies, I have at least written down my intentions etc.

Basically I am going to do a plan for my Grandad to improve his current security. The reasons are that he lives in a fairly bad area, he's usually alone and very venerable. I care about him too much for the possibility of anything happening if it can be prevent. Of course.

Firstly I want to attack the possibility of fire:

He has 2 smoke alarms, one downstairs in the hall and one at the top of the stairs. Since he blew himself up his hearing has gone from bad to worse - to the point I had to once drive over at 11:30pm in heavy snow and enter his house, he couldn't hear the phone or the doorbell. Hence the smoke alarms IMO are useless, especially if he is asleep. I want to put a siren in his bedroom that will sound if the smoke alarm sounds. He is covered for CO2 downstairs so I am not worried about that.

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I intend to ask him to totally reprotect the internal perimetre of the house, this includes a new yale lock on the inside front door (external is a good PVC door but I don't believe his internal door is one that you can lock and prevent the lock from being opened by smashing the glass), a bolt on the back "conservatory" door, which is more of his workshop. A second bolt on the door between his internal carport to back up the current lock on that door. This means that although it is feasible people can get into his garage/second workshop area from the garden or drive, the internal part of the house is well protected. His car/tools etc. are irrelevant.

I intend to ask him to refit a lock to his bedroom door and use a quality lock. I will instruct him to ONLY use this in the event that he knows somebody is in his house and shouldn't be. You hear many stories these days and all I would want him to do is lock the door and protect himself.

He already has a colour CCTV system at the front of the house with dedicated TV and long play video recorder. This however is covert so I am considering a dummy CCTV box to support this - a more visible deterent. Front and back are covered by numerous PIR security lights, 60metres up his garden is a PIR security light which once set off, sets off the light there and most importantly a buzzer in the house and a bright red bulb in the conservatory. IMO, if you entered through the garden, you would see this large red light and turn back since you would be worried what else is to follow!

I intend to fit 3 x panic alarm switches connected to one zone on his alarm. One next to the door if somebody attempts to force entry despite him knowing NOT to open the door (hence CCTV). One in bedroom (if he wakes to some noises) and one in the living room. This is since the living room puts him most venerable because if he is in here and hears something, somebody is probably already in the house.

I am hoping to fit a pressure sensitive mat underneath the carpet at the top of the stairs since there is a venerable PVC window here which probably wouldn't be in the PIR range of the alarm. Both front and rear main entry doors are PVC, double glazed and door contacted already.

I am considering a simple beam break for the drive, a simple 1 second beep if beam is broken. This may give him additional warning of anything dodgy but might also just confuse him. Hence I am turning away from this idea.

To end this, I am looking into autodiallers for the alarm system. Hence if the alarm is set off it is connected to the phone line and will call up to 5 selected numbers. The "system" would be then that one of the people called would call his mobile phone to confirm whether or not he is ok, this is useful for if he is taken ill also and hasn't the ability to do anything but press the panic alarm.

So in summary I know mainly what I need but lack:
  • fire alarm/smoke alarm system to alert him in his room
(I did think I had a few bullet points but can't find them!)


Cheers for any comments that follow.
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Re: Does anybody work in security?

for the siren, just solder and wire in a relay in parallel to the upstairs smoke alarm's buzzer, then route the wires to his room and put the siren + power source on the end
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That's some amount of typing there Paulie, erm I've found this if it help?

http://www.safelincs.co.uk/section.php?xSec=14

Not cheap but then you could wire something up using stuff from Maplins to achieve the same effect.

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my nan has a thing she wears around her neck, if she has a fall or meets an intruder she can press it, it phones someone up, i am not sure who though.
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Re: Does anybody work in security?

Oh nice one Liam! Cheers for that.

Luke, I am wanting a bought in system to be honest (though possibly not if they only cost what Liam has found) since although my Grandfather was an engineer and loves making this sort of thing it is of course an option but he may not be impressed by my ideas if he has to do too much.

I love the idea of a strobe, vibrator and alarm!
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my nan has a thing she wears around her neck, if she has a fall or meets an intruder she can press it, it phones someone up, i am not sure who though.
Yeah I know a little bit about those systems (nearly made one at GCSE level) but it's hard enough to get him to carry around a mobile nevermind something around his neck all the time! Also, that sort of system runs into the hundreds on its own, he is wealthy but doesn't like spending money!
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we got a sensor in the front, if it pics anything up an alarm inside the house starts sounding

fire/smoke alarm, im sure with deaf independant people someone will of invented a flashy light alarm

pressure sensor mat, had a xmas one that wished everyone a merry xmas, could use the gubbings out of that
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fire/smoke alarm, im sure with deaf independant people someone will of invented a flashy light alarm
They have
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Yeah I know a little bit about those systems (nearly made one at GCSE level) but it's hard enough to get him to carry around a mobile nevermind something around his neck all the time! Also, that sort of system runs into the hundreds on its own, he is wealthy but doesn't like spending money!
my nan uses a system like this home call or something like that, you get a phone, 2 way radio, neck alarm and a wrist alarm which you can wear like a watch
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Re: Does anybody work in security?

pressure sensors are 5 so not a problem.

What are people's thoughts on locks on his door? Good/bad idea? I am in two minds. If used incorrectly it could be more dangerous than helpful. (he has solid wood doors, a decent lock would mean that the door can't be put through without tools I am sure of it).

Found: "Interconnectable smoke alarms" which is what I want I think. 3 of those linked up.
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in new houses or recently renovated ones all fire alarms need to be linked up by law, they are also mains powered

as for locks a few are ok at vunerable points in the house, front/rear door, downstairs windows and anywhere else that points of entry can be made

another idea is to maybe have venitian blinds or vertical blinds on the window, im saying this because they a bugger to get through
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Re: Does anybody work in security?

Sorry if this is out of line Paul but what is it in your gramps' pad that would require fort know like security?

If they want in they'll get in.

Aside from that I appreciate your worries and he should have some form of recognisable smoke detector.

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I just care for him a lot and it worries me that he is on his own and so venerable. It's also not in a particularly great area and if some developers get their way he may have to sell off some of his land and will be left more open to forced entry down one side of his house. IMO, the fact is that a criminal will walk down a road to chose his next target. If he seems my grandpa he will think easy target. If he sees a well protected house with visible signs of security he will move on, why bother going for somewhere like that is more protected than elsewhere? UNless there's something specific, which there isn't.

He does have some fairly valuable stuff but that stuff is kept in a safe within a fire proof safe (!!!) in a locked room. It's not this that is important to me.


Cheers for your help so far, I am going for the interconnect smoke alarm idea, seems best for the money. Didn't realise they existed and seem very good value!
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could always give him a dog or gun

another thing to put on the windows might be clingfilm stuff
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LOL...as I said he lives in a bad area but has a huge garden (100m long). He was once at the top of it with his rake burning a few bits of garden waste. Some kids started shouting at him the waste land behind and he rose the rake at them to tell them to bugger off. He went back to his house and was met by a couple of armed police man stating it was claimed that he was gesturing with a gun!

I will look at the costs of the film but he has fully double glazed throughout so now a huge issue.

Can get wireless interlinked smoke alarms (opical or ionisation, whichever is better) for 13.50 on ebay.
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