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Re: What's made you grumpy today? (Part II)

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Ah, somewhat harder to take with you than even that thermos flask ;-)

So is the garage as mentioned above, but generally park in underground car parks so still not a problem
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de icer is rubbish just use tepid water
Water straight from the tap, while we are on the subject of winter defrosting I don't know if anyone will remember this because I was it in a car magazine about 25 years ago,an electric heating device that you plumbed into the bottom radiator hose and you then connected it to the mains and it heated up the water so after about 30 minutes you are starting a warm engine,I have never seen anything like it again though .
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Tbf I have a combination of a scraper with sponge on one side for snow and a rubber squeegee on the other and pointed top for chipping away ice.

De icer is cheap as anything and if used with the above is good enough...and is available in the car park outside of work after a 9 hour shift.

You see plenty of people doing without (it's most definitely not just an Audi problem)...I'm constantly amazed by how ill prepared people are in bad weather. Go out in snow drive into an uncleared car park in the full knowledge they don't have a spade on board..WTH? Not even rubber mats on board, what did they think would happen..
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I have never seen anything like it again though .
google engine preheaters and yo will find them and other devices to do the job too
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Tbf I have a combination of a scraper with sponge on one side for snow and a rubber squeegee on the other and pointed top for chipping away ice.

De icer is cheap as anything and if used with the above is good enough...and is available in the car park outside of work after a 9 hour shift.

You see plenty of people doing without (it's most definitely not just an Audi problem)...I'm constantly amazed by how ill prepared people are in bad weather. Go out in snow drive into an uncleared car park in the full knowledge they don't have a spade on board..WTH? Not even rubber mats on board, what did they think would happen..
i don't like the grease de-icer leaves on the screen i'd rather sit in the car with engine running for half hour than use it
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i don't like the grease de-icer leaves on the screen i'd rather sit in the car with engine running for half hour than use it
Mine gets cleaned then rain x'd weekly so it's a moot point whereas waiting half an hour to de-ice (although I'd be wondering if my heater was broke if it took half that time) would more than double the length of time for my commute.

I also run neat -20 screen wash at this time of year as well so unless it's a thick coating (I.e. the wipers are stuck to the glass and I don't want to damage them) I can usually just blast it with the washers. It's just good for getting away sharpish and really cold days.
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Back to Citroen again for the remedial work on the DS3....

Whee wonder if it'll be a cactus or a C1..

Edit C1 it is, I don't mind them had an Aygo when the Mazda was in they are a nice honest little car if not very refined. You can tell its Toyota based as the clutch bites at the floor and the gearbox is short and precise which rather contrasts with every other Citroen..
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@StevenRB45 My uncle had an Aygo 1.0 while his Yaris was in for about two months over some diesel fault and he said it wasn't work 7k I like the 108 version in terms of style too but the boot / shameless cost saving and flimsiness would put me off getting one.

Did you get the 1.2? Believe that's the PSA engine?
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@StevenRB45 My uncle had an Aygo 1.0 while his Yaris was in for about two months over some diesel fault and he said it wasn't work 7k I like the 108 version in terms of style too but the boot / shameless cost saving and flimsiness would put me off getting one.

Did you get the 1.2? Believe that's the PSA engine?
Seemed solid enough for what it was to me like, obviously yes there is evidence of cost saving but it's a cheap car...I've had various pandas, Citroen's 500s, Mitsubishi, Mazda's and Toyotas as courtesy cars and it was what you'd expect from that style of car. It was the 1.2 and it was pretty nippy if you drove it properly (rev it!).

I imagine after a Yaris it would feel a bit agricultural...in the same way as it made the DS3 feel refined and I know the ds3 to actually be about as refined as a diesel engined skate board..

It's a matter of perspective, today I did an hour on the motorway in the motorway in the 3 then jumped into the C1 to take it back. This morning switching between the DS3 and C1 it didn't seem that bad if a little raucous..after a car from the next class up it felt like a tin box.

However DS3 is back fixed for now!
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Re: What's made you grumpy today? (Part II)

C1's are very revvy - very giving little cars
Cracking things off the line
Dont like speed bumps with a full car (4 ppl and some bags in boot)
you often chassis out

Terrible on wet motorways - very very twitchy, have to have tyres ATLEAST 4mm+ to be bearable

Aygo C1 108 107 leak terrible too
dont know what the new new C1's are like but i fear the same issues of leaks will appear

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I've not driven one myself, so my opinion isn't of much importance. But I do like the look and price point of them. Though I'm not convinced on the solidarity compared to my Panda. My uncle reckons my Panda drives better than their 2013 Yaris which is a new one!!! In his words on the 1.0 Aygo "it's not worth a sh*te". However, the French designed 1.2 might be a bit more fun so I'd love to test drive one.

Is the C1 lighter than the 169 Panda?
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Is the C1 lighter than the 169 Panda?
it's GOT to be..,

it's physically smaller , and nowhere near as robust,

my son learnt to drive in a 108,
it just doesn't work if you've got big feet.

I remember seeing an Aygo being loaded with 4 x middle aged ladies..,

looked far from safe..
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I do believe Fiat make the best small cars on the road. Because every other manufacturer literally only has a stab at a small car to be in a market. And the results seem to be dreadful.
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it's GOT to be..,

it's physically smaller , and nowhere near as robust,

my son learnt to drive in a 108,
it just doesn't work if you've got big feet.

I remember seeing an Aygo being loaded with 4 x middle aged ladies..,

looked far from safe..
It's 150kg lighter than 1.2 panda for a 1.2 C1 which would explain the turn of speed (that and that it puts out 11bhp more than fiat manage from a 1.2 giving a similar power to weight as a mk1 punto sporting). However the new ones are ncap 4 star which is all the panda managed, the older ones were only a 2 star car.

Tbf as a city car it isn't a bad little thing if you want to motorway it regularly none of the cars of this type are long distance load luggers. Buying a car from this class with the intention of doing large distances in it or regularly carrying 4 passengers is a bit daft. You'd be better off with at least a fiesta sized car if not bigger if that was the case.
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To me, the suitability of a car depends on how comfortable the seats are really. There's some bigger cars out there like the Astra with terrible seats, possibly worse than my Panda despite being smoother and much more powerful I'd say they're still sore on the back if you went on the Liverpool to Scotland run for a ferry lol
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