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Old 26-07-2021   #11086
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That's a reminder.

Local Sainsbury's had pump marked as E10 already. Now about two-thirds through that tankful. Had forgotten about the E10. Fuel consumption had dropped, from around 52.2, to 48.8, but I'd put that down to the very hot weather, making the aircon work very hard.
Don't think I was on E10 at least the pumps were marked E5, this car has always been very picky on fuel. I was just having a lean few months and given it was only being used to pootle down the park at 40mph max I just stuck cheap crap in for a few tanks.

However given 99-95 makes it less economical and makes me end up down changing every bloody hill I dread to think what it's gonna run like on E10.

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So hows this E10 better for the planet if MPG drops
Believe the idea is that part of the the released carbon is captured carbon. It's apparently an overall saving of 3% CO2 including the fact the car doesn't like it so produces less power and is less efficient.

Of course one side effect is more fuel duty paid...but far be it from me to suggest its a revenue raising exercise.
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So hows this E10 better for the planet if MPG drops
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Believe the idea is that part of the the released carbon is captured carbon. It's apparently an overall saving of 3% CO2 including the fact the car doesn't like it so produces less power and is less efficient.

Of course one side effect is more fuel duty paid...but far be it from me to suggest its a revenue raising exercise.
As well as the above, the ethanol is plant based, so more sustainable than crude oil. I think, also, being an alcohol, it burns more cleanly, with fewer nasties.
Brasil have been using ethanol for years, (from sugar cane I think).

Ethanol contains less energy, hence lower performance and worse fuel economy.

Whilst it is possible, with solar panels or alternatives, to fuel your own electric car, I think we'd need a big garden and a processing plant in a shed, to grow your own ethanol. There's a project.
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Brasil have been using ethanol for years
I think they produced the rear engine'd air cooled VW beetle for years after it's production over here was ended? However the engine was completely set up to run on ethanol so a lot of alterations would have been needed to run one on petrol?
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I think they produced the rear engine'd air cooled VW beetle for years after it's production over here was ended? However the engine was completely set up to run on ethanol so a lot of alterations would have been needed to run one on petrol?
The old 4 pot air cooled boxer of a beetle could run on pretty much anything. My brother had several when we where younger and he has them run on anything from sump oil to paint thinners not well but it did run. He did also burn the valves out completely on at least one occasion but it wasnít a problem as we swapped the engine out in an couple of hours but in my parents garden
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Brasil have been using ethanol for years, (from sugar cane I think).
In general It's not a problem if the car is set up for it, got no concerns about the CitroŽn as France has been on E10 for years so the engine will have been built with it in mind.

The other car though the engine design pre-dates E5 nevermind E10 while it will run on it without mechanical issues it's literally a less energy dense fuel than it was designed for.

Neither here nor there really but mainly a little annoying as it's already a little marginal on power and fuel economy and this doesn't help it at all.
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The 660 in the Daihatsu hasn't been cleared for E10, the later cars had a Toyota sourced 1.3 which is ok for E10. I've been running super unleaded in the Daihatsu anyway but my local tesco have made the switch to E10 on regular.
Ampera owners manual actually mentions that the engine can run on E10 and the manual dates back to 2012
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Watching the fire-breathing 'Beast of Turin' FIAT S76 charge up Goodwood hill:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6utc2Ncyc
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I know I'm well behind the times on this - it's from a couple of weeks ago. We've had such glorious weather I haven't been watching any TV, so was catching up on things I'd missed. Wonderful stuff
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Watching the fire-breathing 'Beast of Turin' FIAT S76 charge up Goodwood hill:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6utc2Ncyc
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I know I'm well behind the times on this - it's from a couple of weeks ago. We've had such glorious weather I haven't been watching any TV, so was catching up on things I'd missed. Wonderful stuff
I just love that thing. It looks totally like it wants to kill the driver, passenger, spectators by standers and any large dinosaurs in the vicinity before it stops for lunch.. I cant believe they actually got it running originally!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by rmjbn1 View Post
Watching the fire-breathing 'Beast of Turin' FIAT S76 charge up Goodwood hill:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6utc2Ncyc
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I know I'm well behind the times on this - it's from a couple of weeks ago. We've had such glorious weather I haven't been watching any TV, so was catching up on things I'd missed. Wonderful stuff
Did the similar Black One also feature ?
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The 660 in the Daihatsu hasn't been cleared for E10, the later cars had a Toyota sourced 1.3 which is ok for E10. I've been running super unleaded in the Daihatsu anyway but my local tesco have made the switch to E10 on regular.
Ampera owners manual actually mentions that the engine can run on E10 and the manual dates back to 2012
I think with the majority there's no issues in terms of "you put this in and the car will break".

It's more a case of you're putting in something that the car can get by on and the ecu will make necessary timing changes etc to get by and trim it out with the learning capability.

But you're sticking something in where literally each squirt of the injector has less encapsulated energy than it did. So you'll need more fuel to get the same work done.
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Did the similar Black One also feature ?
Do you mean this one?
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I may be wrong, but I think there were only two and they were both destroyed. The surviving engine was in the FIAT museum and installed in a period chassis to produce the recreation seen at Goodwood. Mad b***er drives it on the motorway (at 300rpm) from Bristol
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Now that I'd like to see. From a safe distance in the Panda
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This car was running in the enclosure at Brooklands.. alongside 'the beast'..summer of 2015

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Today I made one of my homemade curries, all freshly ground spices, I also used my one and only home grown chilli, a small size of my thumbnail Scotch bonnet. Well, Iíd give it a taste after mixing it up with my spices and oil, thinking I may have to add a bit more heat, nope hot enough, in fact hot as hell
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This car was running in the enclosure at Brooklands.. alongside 'the beast'..summer of 2015 https://www.fiatforum.com/gallery/sh...p?photo=123881
Oof! Not seen that one before! Any idea what it is? Looks to be a supercharged V12 something or other?

Brooklands is such a great venue and museum

When I lived in the area I had an Art Fund pass (highly recommended) which gave free access to Brooklands (amongst many other things), so I used to wander in every now and again.

Even when there's no event, there's always something interesting to see, they're usually busy in the aviation shed rebuilding some unlikely flying contraption

I think I'm going to miss that kind of thing living in West Clare. But there are compensations. We did have a tractor run last weekend, so...
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From a safe distance in the Panda
Mmmm. That's about half a mile away then and still risk of broken screen from shock waves. I totally agree though it would be 100% spectacular and then some.
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