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Iím talking about the brand of car mini, rather than the terrible rust buckets that leyland built. (I hate the term ďrealĒ mini because itís just a name that people put too much emphasis on) I donít buy into the nostalgia of old minis

I get people donít like the newer bmw minis but they are a much better car than the original they have been around since 2001 so they are 19 years old and someone always has a story about something wrong with them. But having owned 4 of them Iíve never had anything wrong with any of them. I have however observed that they do need the wheel alignment checking every couple of years
It's not a bad car, I just always held the opinion it was held back by an inexplicable need to look like the bloated corpse of an original Mini. Recent years with the 2 series and front wheel drive 1 series have proved me spectacularly wrong though. BMW can't style their way out of a wet paper bag currently.

I remember you mentioning this before regards the suspension, it still strikes me as design fault. My existing car has a mulitlink rear set up, and front and rear strut braces from the factory..and runs enough rear negative camber from the factory that you can visibly see the rear wheels leaning in to help handling.

It has never required the suspension messing with..nor have any other of my cars, in reality the Mini is no more complex than your Golf...or my Mazda..it's just a bad design.
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The garage, a large Rover dealer, had on its parts fleet a Mini van. 850 ccs of low compression brute power. Was registered originally for the sales rep, and could be used as a spare van. Sales rep of course was not pleased as he was expecting a 'company car', so mercilessly thrashed it. So did everyone else of course, when using it as the spare, especially on the 'home run'.
When I first met it, it was showing just uder 30,000 miles, second time around of course, still going well, original clutch, original gearbox, all working well due to the low power output.
One day, my usual van was in for routine service, so I go the Mini. Packed to the roof on the outward journey, off towards Swanage and Corfe Castle, (terrible job, someone had to do it). Van empty at Swanage, good run back. Just outside Dorchester, a tight left bend, always had a bit of understeer there when pushing it, howling around the corner, front wheels steering a little more than their trajectory, met a change in road surface. With the tyres sliding sideways a little, the extra grip just popped the tiny tyre off its rim and let the air out. Oops! 5 minutes to put the spare on, and back to the garage. Next morning blew the tyre up again, popped it back on the offside front, good to go again.

Van was some years later passed to the workshop as a runaround. Eventually sold to a staff member with over 200k on the clock, and still refusing to die.

Still wouldn't have wanted to own it though, but do have a soft spot for that one.
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A field of developing sunflowers.

Early yet, so not a full field yet, just lots of well-spaced yellow heads of the early ones. All looking the same way of course, lots of heads just above the surface of the green of the others yet to flower. Just a lovely picture, a large green field, scattered with happy yellow faces. Nature at its best, not caring about covid, or us, just getting on with what it does.

Sadly nowhere to stop for a photo.
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It has never required the suspension messing with..nor have any other of my cars, in reality the Mini is no more complex than your Golf...or my Mazda..it's just a bad design.
I believe it was ready to go when BMW bought Rover, so bad design rests solely in the Cowley designers' hands. Shame BMW haven't sorted it though, perhaps too expensive to redesign.
But they've used the platform for 2-series, and now latest 1-series.
The MINIs and 2-series I've driven have been competent, but no inkling of 'fun' like the original.
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My hand painted (bought like that) Mini 1000 met it's end because I did not bother to check the coolant level when temperature went a little above normal. Weather was hot and gauge was no-where near "the red" so what's the worry? A few miles down the road there was a POP and a mile further along the engine seized. Radiator top had actually melted the solder.

After being allowed to cool down, the engine did start and it got me home with a body filler bodge on the rad. I had to stop every few miles to top up the water and it used most of a 5 litre 20w50. But we got home. Of course, now it's too late, the temperature gauge chose to work properly.


That car never saw 100K never mined 200K.
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I believe it was ready to go when BMW bought Rover, so bad design rests solely in the Cowley designers' hands. Shame BMW haven't sorted it though, perhaps too expensive to redesign.
But they've used the platform for 2-series, and now latest 1-series.
The MINIs and 2-series I've driven have been competent, but no inkling of 'fun' like the original.
The platform on which the mini was based was completely reengineered in around 2006 for the second generation of the new mini and then completely replaced in 2014 so all the new cars such as the minis and the new small BMWs are all based on a BMW platform

ĎFuní is definitely subjective, I can honestly say I never found the original to be any more or less fun than any other car. Two of my brothers ended up with pretty serious back injuries in an otherwise fairly insignificant bump while driving in an original mini so that wasnít very fun.
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It's not a bad car, I just always held the opinion it was held back by an inexplicable need to look like the bloated corpse of an original Mini.
Itís a fairly self explanatory argument, look at how upset that people get who rant that the new mini is not a mini because itís not mini. The original mini was so called because of its mini size and so anything ever bearing the name mini should be small. Now take the same larger scale car, call it a mini and then make it look completely different. Maybe make it look like a fiesta, then watch peopleís minds explode because ďit doesnít even look anything like a miniĒ

The reason it has to look like a mini is because itís a mini, the reason itís bigger/bloated is the very reason the old mini stopped production it was no longer safe and needed to be made bigger to accommodate newer safety standards.

Itís no different to any other car, any car that has continued production over decades has gotten bigger and bigger.
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ĎFuní is definitely subjective, I can honestly say I never found the original to be any more or less fun than any other car. Two of my brothers ended up with pretty serious back injuries in an otherwise fairly insignificant bump while driving in an original mini so that wasnít very fun.
Pick any car from that era to have a crash In? It wasn't unknown for people to die in impacts barely over 10 mph.

Safety wasn't really a thing until much later, good chance of getting impaled on the wheel or breaking your knees or face in anything from 50s and 60s in a minor crash just literally wasn't thought of by most manufacturers. No seatbelts in most things for start...
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Pick any car from that era to have a crash In? It wasn't unknown for people to die in impacts barely over 10 mph.

Safety wasn't really a thing until much later, good chance of getting impaled on the wheel or breaking your knees or face in anything from 50s and 60s in a minor crash just literally wasn't thought of by most manufacturers. No seatbelts in most things for start...
This is true but the mini in its original 1950s form remained largely unchanged right up to the 2000s by which time it was a death trap compared to everything else on the road.

As Iíve said before a good friend of mine has one of the last 500 made and looking at it now it really wasnít well built even by 2001 standards. With any slight accident youíre going to have an engine in your lap
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It’s a fairly self explanatory argument, look at how upset that people get who rant that the new mini is not a mini because it’s not mini. The original mini was so called because of its mini size and so anything ever bearing the name mini should be small. Now take the same larger scale car, call it a mini and then make it look completely different. Maybe make it look like a fiesta, then watch people’s minds explode because “it doesn’t even look anything like a mini”

The reason it has to look like a mini is because it’s a mini, the reason it’s bigger/bloated is the very reason the old mini stopped production it was no longer safe and needed to be made bigger to accommodate newer safety standards.

It’s no different to any other car, any car that has continued production over decades has gotten bigger and bigger.
I get that,

But they could have done what Audi did later and build an "A1" equivalent a small premium hatch but with none of the baggage. They can still offer the personalisation options and but they don't have to deal with the purists getting annoyed or trying to make it look like mini when it clearly isn't. Yes it helped them get started..but at this point you can see in the strain in trying to make a shape that was never designed to be this being forced into various niches.

They could still sell it side by side in the showrooms with the MINIs. Would just stop the creep that will probably end with 5 metre long electric SUV MINI that will look like a particularly sad Grouper.
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I get that,

But they could have done what Audi did later and build an "A1" equivalent a small premium hatch but with none of the baggage. They can still offer the personalisation options and but they don't have to deal with the purists getting annoyed or trying to make it look like mini when it clearly isn't. Yes it helped them get started..but at this point you can see in the strain in trying to make a shape that was never designed to be this being forced into various niches.

They could still sell it side by side in the showrooms with the MINIs. Would just stop the creep that will probably end with 5 metre long electric SUV MINI that will look like a particularly sad Grouper.
Isnít ever going to happen because thatís the brand, the brand is mini and the heritage is the original mini. How many modern cars still carry styling queues from much older models. if you want something thatís not a mini they will point you to the BMW dealership next door.

Rolls Royce (big brother to Bmw and mini)summed up the response to this perfectly with the Cullinan, which was to say ďif you donít like the look then it wasnít designed for youĒ ie youíre not going to buy it and probably never would so why does it matter to you that much, what it looks like.
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My hand painted (bought like that) Mini 1000 met it's end because I did not bother to check the coolant level when temperature went a little above normal. Weather was hot and gauge was no-where near "the red" so what's the worry? A few miles down the road there was a POP and a mile further along the engine seized. Radiator top had actually melted the solder.

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That car never saw 100K never mined 200K.
real mini or bini?
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real mini or bini?
Mini 1000 @dave

Werent the early ones a 'mini minor'??

LONG time since I was an apprentice..
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Smile :
Driving along the Motorway yesterday- M4

Matrix sign..

60 mph Reports of ....

(Its usually a 50... for debris or animals)


So what warrants a 60..?

Reports of CYCLIST !!

Are they implying it was doing 10mph..?
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Smile :
Driving along the Motorway yesterday- M4

Matrix sign..

60 mph Reports of ....

(Its usually a 50... for debris or animals)


So what warrants a 60..?

Reports of CYCLIST !!

Are they implying it was doing 10mph..?
60, rather than 70, gives you just a little more time to get the aim right.
60 rather than 50, ensures a good strike.
Just a theory.
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