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. Guess you understand the satisfaction of a flashing LED too...
definitely, 3D printing and hacking things together, its always fun!
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The A4 and A6 arenít related to any VW... and the Superb isnít offered as an option anyway.
Surely the A4 is related to the Passat?
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Surely the A4 is related to the Passat?
in the first minute of this video

Actually watch the whole video shows just how different the Audi is compared to VW and Skoda
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I think the basic platform is the same, it was engineered for both engine configurations. Makes no sense to engineer a complete platform just for the Audi when they have spread teh costs of all other models across all the brands.
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I think the basic platform is the same, it was engineered for both engine configurations. Makes no sense to engineer a complete platform just for the Audi when they have spread teh costs of all other models across all the brands.
Nope, the Current generation A4 shares its platform with the likes of the Lamborghini Urus and the Porsche Cayenne, the previous generation was a platform shared with the Porsche Macan and a host of other Audiís

The Passat, shares its platform with things like the TT and the A3 amongst a host of other VWs, however the A4 and the Passat, donít share the same platform.
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VW have a mid-sized FWD platform 'MQB' (and an evolution of this) which underpins much of the range - Golf, Passat, Tiguan, T-Roc, A3, TT, Q3, Leon, Ateca, Tarraco, Octavia, Scala, Superb, Karoq, Kodiaq. There are probably some more that I've missed!

Audi use the MLB and derivatives, the basis of which is used in all the range from A4 right through to Bentley Bentayga.

They've always done this - the first 'footballer' Bentley Continental (ie. the first post-RR demerger) was often known as a Phaeton Coupe.
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They share more than these guys would ever admit to... Thatís why investors overlook Porsche and Audi in favour of actually exclusive high end cars like Ferrari etc, because they are more unique.

I always laugh at the big Audiís on my street ďooh I want a big sports car but I canít afford petrol for itĒ (buys a diesel) ;-)
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I always laugh at the big Audi’s on my street “ooh I want a big sports car but I can’t afford petrol for it” (buys a diesel) ;-)
More like ooh I want a big family car that gets good fuel economy but also goes fast, I’ll buy a diesel from a company that has a decades experience of winning at Le Mann with Diesel engines, beating all the petrol powered cars.....

Also only just spotted this from you yesterday..


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Yeah, maybe back in the time of the Beetle! Even if it was quite literally the face of a nation of you know what’s.... ;-)
aside from the horribly racist comment, the beetle was not produced in any numbers untill the British army took over the factory at the end of the war, they restarted the beetles production before handing the factory back over to the Germans later, and the cars where mainly bought by British servicemen and later by American service men when they started exporting them to the US.
So you can thank British army office Major Ivan Hirst for mankind VW what it is today.

You could if you’re really interested in Fascism look up what was going on in Italy at that time, if you’re going to be prejudice against an entire nation because of history, it would be a good idea to at least know where it all started.. subtitle hint, it was Italy.

I look forward to your further attempts to put German cars down, it’s hilarious and making me smile

The best bit being (and the main crux of your argument) VW shares are currently priced higher than Ferrari shares....
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More like ooh I want a big family car that gets good fuel economy but also goes fast, Iíll buy a diesel from a company that has a decades experience of winning at Le Mann with Diesel engines, beating all the petrol powered cars.....

Also only just spotted this from you yesterday..



aside from the horribly racist comment, the beetle was not produced in any numbers untill the British army took over the factory at the end of the war, they restarted the beetles production before handing the factory back over to the Germans later, and the cars where mainly bought by British servicemen and later by American service men when they started exporting them to the US.
So you can thank British army office Major Ivan Hirst for mankind VW what it is today.

You could if youíre really interested in Fascism look up what was going on in Italy at that time, if youíre going to be prejudice against an entire nation because of history, it would be a good idea to at least know where it all started.. subtitle hint, it was Italy.

I look forward to your further attempts to put German cars down, itís hilarious and making me smile

The best bit being (and the main crux of your argument) VW shares are currently priced higher than Ferrari shares....
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More like ooh I want a big family car that gets good fuel economy but also goes fast, Iíll buy a diesel from a company that has a decades experience of winning at Le Mann with Diesel engines, beating all the petrol powered cars.....

Also only just spotted this from you yesterday..



aside from the horribly racist comment, the beetle was not produced in any numbers untill the British army took over the factory at the end of the war, they restarted the beetles production before handing the factory back over to the Germans later, and the cars where mainly bought by British servicemen and later by American service men when they started exporting them to the US.
So you can thank British army office Major Ivan Hirst for mankind VW what it is today.

You could if youíre really interested in Fascism look up what was going on in Italy at that time, if youíre going to be prejudice against an entire nation because of history, it would be a good idea to at least know where it all started.. subtitle hint, it was Italy.

I look forward to your further attempts to put German cars down, itís hilarious and making me smile

The best bit being (and the main crux of your argument) VW shares are currently priced higher than Ferrari shares....
Still not a sports car in essence though like a Ferrari. More essence of trying too hard to compete with the guy next door, with whoever has the soonest upcoming lease renewal taking the lead ;-)

I don't see what's racist about it? The Beetle 'the peoples car' quite literally was a symbol of that horrific time and horrific movement... like it or not, I'm sure that's a fact. But if you do see it as racist, then you go to suggest something about Italians... you know... looks a bit bad on your part..

That's good for VW investors, and not good for Ferrari investors I'm sure, but as a consumer who likes cars it doesn't change my opinion.

I'll continue to be a huge fan of Fiat, Italian cars and more than likely continue to see German cars as dull Econo-boxes and symbols of everything a respectful guy shouldn't aspire to be (vain, trying too hard to prove a point, and cheap under the skin ((diesel running costs lol)) ).

It's just my opinion, as all the other nonsense that's taking this thread off topic (and anything I post or say), so do us a favour, don't mistake your criticism for intelligence. Same with the other guy, though, unlike you, I don't see the occasional good point in what he says. But I sure do respect it, regardless.

This kind of mini-debate made me smile today too, so it's all good!
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Still not a sports car in essence though like a Ferrari. More essence of trying too hard to compete with the guy next door, with whoever has the soonest upcoming lease renewal taking the lead ;-)

How many people in your street chose to buy an Audi instead of a Ferrari... seriously...

I don't see what's racist about it? The Beetle 'the peoples car' quite literally was a symbol of that horrific time and horrific movement... like it or not, I'm sure that's a fact. But if you do see it as racist, then you go to suggest something about Italians... you know... looks a bit bad on your part..

Your statement was related to the whole of Germany being the home of “you know what’s” actually the birth place of fascism was Italy and was by Mussolini, who the Italian people hung at the end of the war, they also took the fiat company away from the Agnelli family because of their links to Mussolini... I’d say the Italian people where pretty smart, see I’m not tarring the Italian people all with the same brush as you just did with Germany.

That's good for VW investors, and not good for Ferrari investors I'm sure, but as a consumer who likes cars it doesn't change my opinion.

That’s not how share prices and the finance industry works....



I'll continue to be a huge fan of Fiat, Italian cars and more than likely continue to see German cars as dull Econo-boxes and symbols of everything a respectful guy shouldn't aspire to be (vain, trying too hard to prove a point, and cheap under the skin ((diesel running costs lol)) ).

I have absolutely no problem with people liking what they like, I do take umbridge when they cross the line and start telling everyone else that what they like is the only thing and everyone should like their thing, then without need or reason start spewing nonsense about other things... it’s kinda what bullies do in the playground.

You call German cars dull econo-boxes while literally having just bought a car mainly due to it being cheap to buy, cheap to run and cheap to repair, and while on another part of this forum complaining about the ride and the headrests of said car. You bought a Petrol so you’re going to slam diesels, you bought a small car so you’re going to slam anything bigger, you are calling literally everyone who buys a German car “vain, trying too hard to prove a point and cheap under the skin” yet you’re literally shouting, that you bought this car to prove a point about cheapness and smallness, while being cheap and shouting about having an “italian car” and making comparisons with Ferrari’s. No one with an Audi A4 diesel estate, is claiming their car is a Bugatti Chiron, not believes they are driving a sports car

It's just my opinion,

One minute your ranting about being pro brexit, then anti German/anti fascist but then you’re spouting Marxist views, that no one should aspire to having something more or better, it was Marx views that inspired Mussolini’s socialist movement which he called fascism and inspired what happened in Germany.

It seems you need to make up your mind what your opinion is. Are you far right or far left?




as all the other nonsense that's taking this thread off topic (and anything I post or say), so do us a favour, don't mistake your criticism for intelligence. Same with the other guy, though, unlike you, I don't see the occasional good point in what he says. But I sure do respect it, regardless.

I could not make any sense of this ?? What/who are you talking about, what other guy? Are you confusing intelligence with education?
Let’s be honest if you respected other people’s view then you wouldn’t care what they drive, you wouldn’t care what they think of your car and you’d be more happy with what you have. Constantly slating what other people have are not the actions of some one who is happy with what they have.

Seemingly every post you make in the whats made you smile thread is “I hate Audi’s and Audi drivers and anyone who drives a VW, VAG or German car” well guess what, there are a lot of us on this forum, as there are in the rest of the world.
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Letís be honest if you respected other peopleís view then you wouldnít care what they drive, you wouldnít care what they think of your car and youíd be more happy with what you have. Constantly slating what other people have are not the actions of some one who is happy with what they have.

Seemingly every post you make in the whats made you smile thread is ďI hate Audiís and Audi drivers and anyone who drives a VW, VAG or German carĒ well guess what, there are a lot of us on this forum, as there are in the rest of the world.
Nobody. Iím sure your street is much the same!

I was talking about the Naziís and how the Beetle was a symbol of their ideals and vision. Not making any reference to the people of Germany whatsoever about back then.

Yes, but Iím not in the finance industry, am I? I have no idea what Fiatís share price is and it didnít affect my decision to buy another one!

Whilst obviously I like to mock / joke about German cars and the people who buy them, this is a car forum. Weíre allowed to state opinions, seems you always have a thing or two to say about peoples opinions as if you know better..

Yes, cheap, economical, practical, definitely not a luxury car in the slightest. What I admire about the Panda is that it embraces what it is, and is the antidote to Ďtrying to hard carsí, in my opinion. Even if the head restraints are a PITA, the car definitely has shortcomings.

I think diesels are phenomenal machinery on a ship or a lorry at best, but having them in cars hasnít done humanity any good from a health and environmental perspective. You forget too with VW lying to their customers itís completely understandable that as far as a brand goes, theyíve alienated a lot of people and Iím one of them.

I support Brexit personally, yes. I donít think people shouldnít get nothing better, but I also donít think VW and its products are any better than run-of-the-mill. As Iím sure you get from my posts.

Schumi is the other guy posting on here. Iím talking about you, whilst you do make some valid points from time to time, your last paragraph applies to your own activity on here tooÖ

"Letís be honest if you respected other peopleís view then you wouldnít care what they drive, you wouldnít care what they think of your car and youíd be more happy with what you have. Constantly slating what other people have are not the actions of some one who is happy with what they have."

So perhaps you could, respect that not everybody thinks VW is the beeís knees?

Maybe you shouldnít care so much about people on here choosing to drive Fiatís and actually liking it?

Maybe you shouldnít care that we donít think too much of your (assumably VW branded car choice)?

It seems to me, youíre constantly slatting Fiat / anybody who could possibly have any love for the brand as much as any other?

Only difference beingÖ this is a Fiat Forum.

So either lighten up on the jokes about German cars and donít take em too seriously or consider taking onboard your own recommendations to me, because youíre guilty as charged of em all too! Only difference is I can admit that Fiat can be terrible at times and the cars are what they are, under no illusion.
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I had written quite a lengthy reply but this is the what made you smile thread, and you seem hell bent on turning everything here into an argument.

I will point out you have only recently, repeatedly started slating German cars (several posts in the last few days) and even claimed to have deliberately damaged cars based on nothing more than the badge on the bonnet. You assume everyone who drives a German car think they are some how better than everyone else, when I can assure you most people donít care what you drive they have more than enough of their own problems going on to care if the neighbours down the road think they have a supercar or not, or if their Audi A1 is better than a Panda.

I donít look at every other car on the road to see if mine is better or not, I literally couldnít care less if you have a panda or a Ferrari, good on you though if youíve worked hard and bought a Ferrari, but then good on you if youíve worked hard and bought your panda if thatís your dream car.

You seriously need to get over this belief that everyone is looking down on you, because 99.999% couldnít care less, which is a similar percentage to the number of people who donít find your anti Audi anti German car comments funny. This forum has never been about bashing other brands to make its self feel better about its choices.

I wouldnít still be here if I didnít like Fiats, but that doesnít make me an obcessive Fiat Fan boi who will think everything they do is great, and trust me VAG have made their fair share of bad cars too.
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Nobody. I’m sure your street is much the same!
I should probably point out that one of my neighbours has a Maserati Grandcabrio a rangerover sport and a Tesla Model X while another has two, not one but two Aston Martins, one for racing one for best and a Volvo estate to lug the dogs about In there is another with 2 brand new Mercedes (C250 coupe and a A45) and a VW California Campervan which are ridiculously expensive. One guy also has a vintage 1920’s thing that’s worth a fortune. One of our neighbours works for the Mini Challenge race series.

There are 25 houses in our street. So actually there are people where I live who can make decisions about if they want to buy a Ferrari or not.
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Russia was ruled by the despotic Tzars who ran a feudal system of serfs and barons. It's not surprising they were the first to be deposed when their power stuttered during WW1.

Due to his time in WW1, Hitler was a hard left socialist. His new political party National Socialist German Workers' Party abbreviated NSDAP was commonly known as the Nazi Party. It was a left wing organisation not much different to the Russian Soviets. In fact you could not get a fag paper between Hitler and Stalin on basic politics.


The British Nazi party run by Oswald Mosely was another that grew out of hard left socialism.

Mussolini harnessed the Italian leanings towards communism. But when it all went pear-shaped, he was the first Nazi to get strung up because he was the weakest member. Italy's continued leanings towards communism were exactly why their post WW2 political system was created to divide and rule.


The Nazi parties dressed up their systems with flags and symbols but beneath their heirarchial structures they were al basically hard left wingers who needed a bogeyman to rail against. Hitler used the Jews (as did Moseley) for running the global capitalist empires against the common people. Stalin didn't bother with a middleman going straight for the "decadent capitalists". Though he was just as happy as Hitler to destroy Jews or anyone else who got in his way.
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