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Do you mean using them if it's not foggy?

Or Illegial to have them? Cos if it's that, then we're all in trouble since they are fitted to our cars

In Swden it´s illegal to have the foglights together with the mainlight, but it´s ok to have them on together with the parkinglights!

Yes, fog lights are illegal, that's why car manufacturers fit them, because they are all anti-establishment renegades.

It is illegal to have them on in no fog yes, it's also very dangerous bcause they can blind other drivers.

The police do stop people who have their foglights on when they shouldn't.

you are only allowed to use fogs when visibility is low, like when its realy foggy not raining or just misty,
you are not allowed to use any other lights either like driving/spot lights that may dazzle other drivers,

as above, with a £30 fixed penalty notice

And turboned should hopefully enforce this strongly to help keep my road rage levels low

yeah i love doing 30 mins writing for a foglight ticket......

Stupid stupid beauracracy! It seriously takes that sort of time? That needs dealing with, should be a little computer, type in reg plate, confirm owner's name and address (don't type it in!) and car and voila. Ticket issued. Read barcode from driver's license to confirm all correct. = what, 2 minutes?

In Nottingham it wasn't so bad, the odd car, but Manchester it's crazy. Yesterday I drove back fromt he Lake District and went through Manc for about 20 minutes. I am not kidding when I say that 3 people had their REAR foglights on and I lost count of front fogs. 3 people with rear fogs on?! Another problem I expect you get in the London area along with Manc which I never had in Nottingham is people driving through lights on red despite people trying to do a right turn, leaving the turner in the middle of a large junction with cars quickly coming from either side. There's not one time I have been at a junction here when this hasn't happened. People can't wait 30 seconds for the lights to change so instead go through a second or two after red and block your exit.

as with most things it a burden of proof thing, procedure, etc, and if you think thats bad, try an arrest! lol it's not unknown for it to take up most of a shift, and quite rightly the prisoners care becomes your primary duty, however this can lead to losing at least one officer for up to 6 hours, and possibly more for the time to write up their account of the incident, i think the quickest i dealt with someone was drink drive, from stopping them, roadside breath test, arrest, transport to station, booking in, station breath test, charge release and court papers took 4 hours and a lot of that was down to him being quite co-operative

there are plans i beleive for the handheld type computers for the future, but again it's still the same thing where evidence in the form of the officers observations will be required,

society demands full police accountabilty, quite rightly too, to the extent that they will force more officers away from frontline work and to a desk to write up what they have had a chance to do, if thats the police force society wants, then they will get it,

I guess but in my opinion, your word should be enough. You should be provided with a handheld computer as I stated above with all those facilities and including a dictaphone. Record a minutes worth of notes about it and then all of that info is sent off to admin personel to write up. You can get on with your job and people who are trained to write up reports can write up the report from your dictated notes.

In the good old days you could apparently give the difficult "customers" a bit of a slap .

The easiest thing would be to use cameras to record everything, i.e fog light on, approach the car so you film who was driving, record interview etc. Then it can all be shown in court and there is no chance of paperwork mistakes meaning the people being let off on a technical issues.

A lot of people are convicted using CCTV only.

Paul...I know where youre coming from...

Hence any Eejits up my arse with their fogs on in good vis on the M6 or M61 get the reverse and brake treatment (you can put the reverse light on in the Cinq by pushing the lever down and across- it doesnt actually have to engage)

I just stick my rear fogs on but then said eejit behind starts flashing me

ah, but you can dip your mirror, he can't avoid looking at your fogs

Either my eyesight is worse than I thought or the people where everyone else lives have really powerful fog lights. I occasionally see people with their fogs on in clear conditions and never find it blinding or even mildly offensive. I appreciate the law and wouldn't condone the use of them unnecessarily, but I have never considered seeing them to be in any way hazardous. I find road glare, sun reflecting in people mirrors or off paintwork or driving into shaded areas from unshaded to be far more hazardous or even driving up hill when the sun is low directly in front of you. All that said, if someone is behind you with their fogs on and it is causing a hazard, you should pull over and let them pass, but equally you are just inflicting the hazard on another driver by doing that.

its more blinding when you are out in the sticks on narrow roads with no street light. your pupils are wide open coz its dark then if a car comes around the corner with fogs on it blind you for few seconds,

There also not subject to alignment checks at the MOT, so a lot are not aimed correctly.