so the discussion here is. does britain really need to be in the EU. does it really do anything for us.. is it actually damaging our countries.
personally i think britain could easily do better without it.
opinions and thoughts ???

A deffinate NAY!

The question is too simple.

The trade links are very good for us, but IMO that was all the EU ever should have been about.

Brussels interfering in the UK justice system or immigration policy is simply uncceptable.

Doesn't matter who the monkey at the top is, they're all fecking idiots.

NAY! Lets see what OUR Government does when we get out in the streets like the Arab nations have... or do we not have the guts?

I'm so pi$$ed off at being taken for an idiot with fuel duties, VAT on fuel duties (not the EU's fault I know) but now Insurance underhandedness that IS EU forced seems like we are even easier fair game for anyone who wants to pick our pockets!

But I'll bet my next years premium we'll just cough up...

For its original purpose - common trade framework - yes.
For the bureaucratic mess it has become - no.

whoever added a poll to this.. i love you i only thought about it after i made it

Prilliant03 said:

The question is too simple.

The trade links are very good for us, but IMO that was all the EU ever should have been about.

Brussels interfering in the UK justice system or immigration policy is simply uncceptable.

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EU should be about trade not about trying to create a single country. to leave it would be catastrophic for us, but we need politicians with balls to keep it working for us rather than giving them more power.

i dont see how leaving the EU would be catastrophic. i think we would do just as well without them.. we got along perfectly fine before them

dronenrs said:

i dont see how leaving the EU would be catastrophic. i think we would do just as well without them.. we got along perfectly fine before them

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The world was very different back then. The UK was a manufacturing powerhouse. We can't make that claim anymore.

Just look at the state of our car, motorcycle and aviation industries for proof of that.

Without EU brokered deals bringing in manufacturing work for companies like Airbus we'd be in an even worse state than we are now.

Whats "trade links" got to do with it?

We've been trading all over the world including Europe for centuries, but all of a sudden now we need the EU?

We must have been struggling to survive before 1973.

Shadeyman said:

Whats "trade links" got to do with it?

We've been trading all over the world including Europe for centuries, but all of a sudden now we need the EU?

We must have been struggling to survive before 1973.

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Nope, but 1973 was round about the time our manufaturing base started it's slow but inexorable implosion, partly because of poor quality, partly because of constant industrial strife, and partly at the hands of cheap imports we could never hope to compete against.

The rules of the 70s and even the 80s just don't apply anymore.

maybe britain just lost its mojo. i think if we used some of our british spirit we could be a very strong country. again.. btw airbus is french owned anyway so that dosent count

It's nothing to do with mojo or British spirit. It's stark economics. The UK simply cannot hope to compete with manufacturing in the developing world. Only niche/luxury companies like Jaguar and Land Rover have shown any chance of surviving, and if course they are not actually UK owned nowadays.

Where we are still in a position of strength is selling our wealth of knowledge and engineering excellence.

The nationality of Airbus' ownership is a moot point. What matters is that they contract work out to UK companies and keep UK workers in jobs.