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It will never happen. well not while cars and personal transport exists how it is today anyway.
Govt speed limiters?!
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Govt speed limiters?!
I dont think it will happen, the government is making loads of money as it is catching speeding motorists.
with this not only will they make no money with speeders, but they'd have to pay to have the system set up
with this not only will they make no money with speeders, but they'd have to pay to have the system set up
Its just madness.. If they had their way we would be driving cars on tracks at fixed speeds like those fairground rides.
I wouldnt be too worried if they did. Like anything else people do, there will be a workaround, either with a microcontroller and some wiring or a sledgehammer and crowbar.
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I wouldnt be too worried if they did. Like anything else people do, there will be a workaround, either with a microcontroller and some wiring or a sledgehammer and crowbar.
Dan
Only problem being if you have a crash and the device has been deactivated what do you think will happen? Will the police be symapthetic and say everybody makes mistakes or will they nail you to the wall for every offence that is slightly applicable. That and if everyone else is tooling along on the limiter the derestricted car will be painfully obvious...i.e. the one overtaking all the other cars.
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Who cares its a breach of civil liberties tbh. Whats next a device that reads your thoughts and send illegal ones to the authorities? Ala Pre-Crime division in the film minority report.
I still say let darwin rules apply, if your stupid enough to speed and not be in control of your car you deserve to crash. Just a shame that innocent people get in the way at times but meh... thats life.
They really need to spend more time and money on getting the 1000's of illegal drivers off the road, I.E No license, insurance, tax, driving bans etc as thats a real crime.
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Completely agree with you on the point of illegals and un-insured etc. This would also reduce the numbers on the road as well. You could add to this the myopic 90 year olds peering over the steering wheel who are quite safe "because they know the way"....
In my opinion this would be like introducing driving on the right, but phasing it in - bikes first, cars next, lorries next....you get the joke. Car A enters a 30 from a 50, and slows down immaculately. Driver B behind in un-restricted car drives up the boot lid. How can this be progress?
Speed is all about appropriateness as well as the law. In some conditions 30/40/50mph can all be too fast, but if you build in maximum speed limiters which match the speed limit for the road, then more and more people will semi-switch off mentally.The car's doing 50 so it must be ok, until they fall asleep or shunt somebody. Lorries have been speed limited for years but they still manage to have and cause some horrendous crashes because the driver was watching television or exhausted.
Just more "we know best" political claptrap.
Happy New Year everybody!
You don't need limiters on for this to happen. Driver of car B should be watching the road and so should know that the limit reduces from 50 to 30 up ahead (by reading the road signs) and so take appropriate action.
A limiter which works at any speed by taking info from gps or even transponders set into the speed limit roadsigns would be an excellent idea - just like some people are fitted with ankle tags, it would be great to see devices fitted to cars where the driver has been caught speeding - so part of the fine could be used to pay for a device to be installed.
Might be a good way of discouraging speeders rather than making everyone suffer.
By and large I think it's fair to say, the majority of people on this Forum enjoy their cars and enjoy driving, which is the main reason they're on here in the first place. I think it's also fair to say that most people on here have also at some point in their lives uttered the immortal words: "Why don't the Police go and catch some real criminals instead of picking on innocent motorists." Well those people have had their wish with the decimation of Road Policing Units. But what does a Government do to answer criticisms of its lack of action on road casualties? Answer: Speed Cameras. Instead of moaning about it, why don't members of this Forum get together by region and all join the IAM. It may not be ideal, but it's one way to get the message across that drivers can do something about keeping their own house in order. By joining the IAM or ROSPA, you are also joining a large lobby group and getting more representation than you could on your own. Any Government is an organised force that can put across that what it is doing is in the interests of safety and that anyone opposed to its plans is actually anti-social, therefore you're all naughty boys and girls who need to be taught what is good for them.
I don't agree with government sanctioned limiters, I was pointing out in the unlikely event of these things coming in driving with it switched off would be very probably legal suicide in the event of an accident. When I said I wanted a limiter in my car it would be one along the lines of the ones in a current renaults I.e. you switch it on and off yourself and set speed yourself.
my sat nav tells me when im speeding by over 25% 
was set to 10% but it got annoying
was set to 10% but it got annoying
my sat nav tells me when im speeding by over 25%
was set to 10% but it got annoying
Bear in mind car speedos can be upto 10% out aswell, that means that you go over by 35%
this is gps on my sat nav you think a X reg would have that tech?
and that im stupid enouth to rely on tech
and that im stupid enouth to rely on tech
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An interesting add to the debate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7804150.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7804150.stm
cut carbon emmisssions how!!!!!
your slowing down to have to accelorate
back up
i have seen silly speed signs
60 to a 30
then half a mile later in middle of no whare to a 60
your slowing down to have to accelorate
back up
i have seen silly speed signs
60 to a 30
then half a mile later in middle of no whare to a 60
Tbf if they were serious about reducing carbon emissions they would stop building traffic calming and speed bumps. Not only do they cause more unnecessary acceleration and braking but the damage they do to suspension systems means they have a shorter life and have to be replaced before when they would have been. This means more resources have to be spent building the new parts and disposing of the old ones. However joined-up thinking is not the governments strong point.
I am by no means a dangerous driver but i will admit, i always speed, i travel the speed which i think is safe for that road, of course i dont go too daft as there may be cars pulling out etc, you just need to judge the road better
on a off topic note, there was a thing on pistonheads which showed your car uses twice as much petrol on the road with speed bumps, than one without
on a off topic note, there was a thing on pistonheads which showed your car uses twice as much petrol on the road with speed bumps, than one without
Last night, on a road near me, a dual carriageway has a speed limit of 40, and on top of that it is also a favourite spot for the camera cops to stand.
So I am driving at exactly 40 with my daughter in the car.I'm in the outside lane because I moved out to let a car filter in from the left. I am gaining on this car, but not quickly. I am about to pull in anyway when a Range Rover pulls right up to my boot lid. I can't now pull in because another 4x4 comes up the inside of me at about 60 and slaloms in between me and the car on my left. The Range Rover then does the same thing, missing my n/s front by about 3foot. Now the point here is, if we were all limited, then this couldn't have happened, or if I wasn't so conscious of the speed traps, I would have just speeded up to 50 briefly (it's an urban dual carriageway)and got past the car on my left, then pulled in and slowed back down to 40 and let both cars past at whatever speed they liked.
I was not dawdling about. I have taken an IAM course. I am not perfect, nobody is,but I give driving my 100% attention behind the wheel. Some people just have not patience at all, and it seems that the bigger the car, the more invincible they feel. Speed limiters would need to be universal (impossible in the real world) or not at all in my humble opinion.
My View on the Issue:
1. Limiting a car to say 70 mph may have added safety consequences, it may be safer to speed up to avoid a collision e.g a tailgater, so capping a cars speed may cause collisions.
2. They have tried this on bikes, when new riders are limited to a set speed, irrelvelent on the bike, these can be easily removed and replaced in the event of an inspection, so how are you going to enforce such a device??
3. As other people said before, such an action will have civil liberty problems, they want to allow the state to modify someones private property to coincide with their killjoy views.
4. The state will loose money from speeding tickets so I cant see it happening :-S
5. How much will this cost and how will they pay for it, I dont want to see taxes wasted on this, they should go to help our armed forces, the NHS, or the emergecy services, not wasted in this manners.
6. How are you going to make a limiter work with every ECU/Chip kit/injection system that is fitted to each car?
7. Are they going to do this to every car that is on the british roads (as a result of restriction free travel in the EU) so they want every Irish, French, Italian, Polish, German, Dutch....... car to have this fitted? If it only applied to British registered cars, whats stopping us going to say Italy and ordering a Right Hand Drive fiat with an italian numberplate?
8. On peformance cars people would want the ablilty to turn it off (e.g Track Days), so they implement this and then whats to stop everyone turning them off?? Also how are rallys ment to work in this country, as they are fully road legal cars and use the road network between stages, so we are expected to have rally cars limited to 70mph that would make it a bit dull!
9. Have these campainers ever tried driving a car (a car not a HGV/Van erc) with such a limitation.
Rant Over Breath ....
1. Limiting a car to say 70 mph may have added safety consequences, it may be safer to speed up to avoid a collision e.g a tailgater, so capping a cars speed may cause collisions.
2. They have tried this on bikes, when new riders are limited to a set speed, irrelvelent on the bike, these can be easily removed and replaced in the event of an inspection, so how are you going to enforce such a device??
3. As other people said before, such an action will have civil liberty problems, they want to allow the state to modify someones private property to coincide with their killjoy views.
4. The state will loose money from speeding tickets so I cant see it happening :-S
5. How much will this cost and how will they pay for it, I dont want to see taxes wasted on this, they should go to help our armed forces, the NHS, or the emergecy services, not wasted in this manners.
6. How are you going to make a limiter work with every ECU/Chip kit/injection system that is fitted to each car?
7. Are they going to do this to every car that is on the british roads (as a result of restriction free travel in the EU) so they want every Irish, French, Italian, Polish, German, Dutch....... car to have this fitted? If it only applied to British registered cars, whats stopping us going to say Italy and ordering a Right Hand Drive fiat with an italian numberplate?
8. On peformance cars people would want the ablilty to turn it off (e.g Track Days), so they implement this and then whats to stop everyone turning them off?? Also how are rallys ment to work in this country, as they are fully road legal cars and use the road network between stages, so we are expected to have rally cars limited to 70mph that would make it a bit dull!
9. Have these campainers ever tried driving a car (a car not a HGV/Van erc) with such a limitation.
Rant Over Breath ....
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Christmas eve I was out and about in my bus, I had video footage of 3 seperate incidents involving 'big' vehicles trying out their bullyboy tactics - a range rover trying to force his way in from a side road (traffic was moving slowish & I had already let a car out (they were sat half a yard back from the lines, I eased off the accellerator to increase the gap - I wasn't going to brake sharply to let todgerboy out).
- a bmw forby coming out of a side road, I was accellerating up to 30 coming off a roundabout. The woman looked straight at me and kept coming out. I had to brake (couldn't swing over as there was a bus coming the other way) right in front of her. Only way forward was for her to reverse - and she wasn't happy about that. She actually had the gonads to drive to the yard and put in an official complaint about my poor standards of driving! Am I glad we a) have video cameras on the bus and b) my boss was on the bus and witnessed the whole thing.
- a nissan forby obviously didn't like the way I was driving around the mini roundabout (I'm 25 foot long, 8'4" wide and need a heck of a turning circle to manouvre). Tried to overtake on my nearside, hit the brakes then tried again on my offside.
Another complaint about my driving.
Most mini roundabouts around here are a pile of bricks in a large circle about 3 - 4 feet diameter. To negotiate the turn without stripping my tyrewalls, I have to approach in the centre of two lanes (the lanes are the same width as the bus anyway!).
So to answer the quote, IME, the bigger the car, the smaller the brain.
One of my colleagues had a 2 year old Jag alongside him in 2 lanes of slow moving traffic, as a slight gap opened up in front of my colleague the jag driver floored it in a desperate attempt to get in front of my colleague (?). All he succeeded in doing was ripping the NS wing & front bumper off the bus & mangling his OS wing, bumper & bonnet.
The problem here is that everybody seems to think they know what is best regarding speed limits on roads.
We have some country lanes where national speeds apply and some long, wide-open roads where the limit has been reduced to 40 (must be a reason for this). Trouble is, where people see this nice long stretch & reckon it is safe to do 60 or even 70, there are a number of houses alongside as well as a few turnings. Anybody pulling out of one of these will look at the traffic & assume it is doing the speed limit, look at how far away it is and figure they can safely pull out based on everything they know. Problem is, if the car is speeding, it is going to close the gap in half the time.
We recently had some moron speeding along a main road, hit a roundabout, fly over it & land in the boot of a car that had just gone around it. Quite a few people wrote to the local paper calling for this "dangerous roundabout" to be scrapped.
Dangerous? I have to negotiate said roundabout four times a day & have no problems whatsoever at 30 yet I drive a very difficult vehicle in terms of cornering. As this roundabout is outside a senior school, many coaches also have to negotiate it, as well as articulated lorries travelling out of the town.
"You just need to judge the road better" you also need to obey speed restrictions, they are there for a reason.
