After the latest shooting of an 11 yr old boy shouldn't the government be saying 'enough is enough'.
Just make all guns illegal, no questions, no moaning, just ban them all. Even air guns and replicas, ban the whole lot. Then, if you're found to be in possesion of a gun you get locked up, end of story.

Unfortunately it is not as "Black & White" as that.
I would love to agree with you.

I do beleive that all hand guns and automatic guns need bannng full stop.

How many gang shootings do you hear with a farmers shotgun?

Noclu3 said:

Unfortunately it is not as "Black & White" as that.
I would love to agree with you.

I do beleive that all hand guns and automatic guns need bannng full stop.

How many gang shootings do you hear with a farmers shotgun?

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shotguns do get into the wrong hands. they can be stolen and the barrels are sawn off and used in robberies.

the guns that are a problem are already illegal, you get a jail sentence for possession. thats more severe than any drug law.

guns were more widely available 20 years ago, and even more widely available than that 50 years ago, so you cant say the rise in gun crime is due to an increae in guns on the street.

the difference is these days kids grow up in a world where gun culture is a fact of life. guns are glamorised in games and on tv, 2 of the biggest influences on young people. it doesnt matter what your parents or teachers say because tv knows best, and it just so happen that tv teaches you to be a G, treat bitches like hoes, pop a cap in any fool that dis's you, respect your hood and homies, and generally live the hustler lifestyle like every true G should. thats so totally gay i cant believe the young dumb fsuckers go for it, but they do because they are badly educated and they get bombarded with this gansta culture every day, everyone wants to be snoop dog.

all you can do to protect yourself is make sure you work hard in life so you can live in a community where gun crime isnt a problem. if you live in a poor innercity estate you are statistically far more likely to be a victim of gun crime, especially if you're black. thats not a coincidence.

you say "shouldn't the government be saying enough is enough", at the end of the day very few people (who vote) live in an area where gun crime is a problem. antisocial behavior has increased all over the country, you expect the worst areas to be experiencing the most severe type of antisocial behavior, and they do, but average joe only has to put up with kids drinking in bus stops and the occasional bit of vandalism. gun crime is still a problem for young black men from a poor background with little education, until that changes average joe will simply see it on the news and not worry about it half as much as the kids on his street corner drinking white lightning. even if we get as bad as america that will still be the case.

RichDoblo120 said:

shotguns do get into the wrong hands. they can be stolen and the barrels are sawn off and used in robberies.

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I do realise this but to echo JUGs post, a shootgun does not make you look like a "G"

I am not a gun owner but I do know several respectable gun owners, and I know the hastle they go through to get the guns legaly.

yeah Jug's post is on the money.

there is a need for certain guns but the guns being commonly found in these shootings are indeed alrady illegal.

since watching the film 'outlaw' i cna't help but see a correlation between the film and society today. it is incredibly worrying.

isn't the suspect of the shooting only 13?

in realtion to the de-sensitization of people regarding guns hrough video games and other media. i can kinda see that albeit there are millions who play these type of games...

I agree Jug that there's a huge problem with kids being impressed with this stupid gangsta culture but where are the guns coming from? they're not coming through airports, you'd have to be insane to try and sneak a gun through Heathrow these days. They are either being stolen from legitimate, licenced owners, or replica guns are being converted. That's why I think you've got to ban the lot.

What legitimate handguns? They have all been banned and destroyed.

I'm lucky enough to have been only just old enough to join a gun club and marvel in the true sport of target shooting. Too young to do pistol shooting though - all we had were rifles and 'mickey mouse' long barelled pistols.

None are 'gangster' style guns.

M5 J12 to J13 was closed today as a copper pulled over a car for a routine stop and was shot at

Any gun that can be easily concealed should be illegal. Including replicas, air pistols and sawn-off shotguns. None of these "gangster" shootings have used a rifle or full-size shotgun as they are big, heavy, cumbersome and hard to hide, whereas most legitimate uses for guns (e.g. clay pigeon/hunting/target shooting) require full-size guns for accuracy.

On the radio this morning I heard the mayor (I think; if not, it was some other similar public figure) of Liverpool saying that we should be treating minor crimes carried out by youths (graffiti, vandalism, petty theft etc) as proper crimes. The theory being that, if they get away with minor offences as kids, some people will move on to more and more serious things, culminating in such nastiness as this recent shooting.

I agree wholeheartedly with him, but no doubt the left-wing crackpots will denounce this idea as a contravention of human rights or some other such b***ocks, and things will be left to get worse and worse.

Unfortunately, these people are not respecters of the law and are in total contempt of it. They will keep having and using guns and will believe that they will not get caught.

Not that I am a fascist or anything but I do believe that the 'suss' laws need to be brought back and the police given carte blanche to go after crims and gangs using firarms anyway they see fit.

The government cannot legislate against everything but the local communities could possibly do more.

Gangs exist in areas with poor social fabric and work on fear. If the communities said 'enough' to the gangs and worked together than the gangs may loose their grip. It is a bit Anarchist but what do we do? Let them rule us?A recent major criminal was arrested in Nottingham, he had two policemen working for him, ran various rackets uncluding drugs. Since his arrest and incarceration, gun crime in Nottingham has fallen by around 80% I believe.

you cant just ban something because one bad thing happens (or a few), guns don't kill people...(i have to ) RAPPERS DO! and drug dealers, armed robbers etc. a gun physically cant kill someone. it has to be loaded, cocked, aimed and fired. you cant accidentally do that.

iv had air pistols/rifles co2 pistols/rifles and c*4ppy BB guns since i was about 12, never have i seen them as an instrument for me to go out and shoot someone, there great fun for shooting targets. anything can be used as a weapon, people were killing each other long before guns were on the scene

gangsters will always find a way to get hold of real guns banned or not, thats why are armed forces and armed police need them too. gun shop owners really wont sell a shotgun to anyone who looks like a rapper, a license and gun will set you back 40k so if you were gonna knock off a shop buying a shotgun to do the job kinda eats away at any money you would make from the job?

guns are not the problem, just a scapegoat for bad parenting and education.

Yes, but if there were NO guns in the UK then no-one could get shot. While guns are around they can fall into the wrong hands.

Oh course kitchen knives can also fall into the wrong hands but guns make it so easy to kill someone.

1986Uno45S said:

Yes, but if there were NO guns in the UK then no-one could get shot. While guns are around they can fall into the wrong hands.

Oh course kitchen knives can also fall into the wrong hands but guns make it so easy to kill someone.

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Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
It's not the licenced owners that are the problem but if their house or club house got broken into then their guns do become a problem.

even if there were NO guns on the planet, if you wanted a gun you could make one. gunpowder is easy to make. drugs are banned completely but stupid :tosser:s still manage to get their hands on it?

I'm 20, i play gta all the time, watch action/horror films at the cinema and have no desire whatsoever to go and shoot anyone because i have the ability to make my own decisions on right and wrong. a game is a game, and a film is just actors pretending. if you believe its an instruction manual or that keanu reeves can really fly then i don't think you should be allowed on the streets. even as a kid i knew the difference between TV and reality the same as i cant believe people still believe in god!

Caught with a gun with no licence, instant 10 years inside with no early release. Problem solved.

oliemery311 said:

i cant believe people still believe in god!

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Who?

1986Uno45S said:

Who?

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this crazy character and his crazy groupies....

and yeah tough sentences for rappers with guns probably would help a bit, would have to be "with intent" though for the air/co2 weapons because i have to take mine to the gun shop sometimes. don't wanna get locked up for going to get it repaired

jug said:

the difference is these days kids grow up in a world where gun culture is a fact of life. guns are glamorised in games and on tv, 2 of the biggest influences on young people. it doesnt matter what your parents or teachers say because tv knows best, and it just so happen that tv teaches you to be a G, treat bitches like hoes, pop a cap in any fool that dis's you, respect your hood and homies, and generally live the hustler lifestyle like every true G should.

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Whilst it's true that guns are prevalent on tv and in games, most young people are not stupid enough to think that because they shot someone on a game, they should go out, buy a gun and shoot someone. i would say that young people are a product of their environment and upbringing. If you've grown up around guns and violence, then there's two ways you can go. You can be a hustler and get involved in the gang situation or you can get an education, get a job and get away from it.

It also has to be said that you need to have strong parents to guide you in the right direction. I don't know if anyone read the article it the sun(might have been news of the world) last weekend about Micah Richards, but that is a good example of a good parent guiding his son properly.

jug said:

gun crime is still a problem for young black men from a poor background with little education

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Has it occurred to you that that these young black men have little education as result of disillusionment(sp?)with the education system?