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Re: Water in boot lid? Grande Punto Active Sport

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are all gp's fitted with a rear window washer?? i do not seem to have one on my 1.2 active.
got one on my 1.2 active (56 plate)
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T14086, You've gone quiet?
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T14086, You've gone quiet?
It happens............every few years or so

Must be loads other dealers near you as so close to London?

Any of these any good? https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-pun...rs-rating.html
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Re: Water in boot lid? Grande Punto Active Sport

Just been having a look at the readers reviews on the What Car website. Came accross one from a dude called Martin Day from Bucks. Has the same make and model as me and also has had probs with the water getting in to the tailgate. He says that he's tailgate has finally been replaced despite the dealer and Fiat both saying water ingress is normal on this car and for all owners to check there tailgates. My dealer also stated that water in the tailgate was normal, so if it is "normal" then why would they replace it? Seems to me Fiat have yet ANOTHER common fault but are trying to deny it!
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Just been having a look at the readers reviews on the What Car website. Came accross one from a dude called Martin Day from Bucks. Has the same make and model as me and also has had probs with the water getting in to the tailgate. He says that he's tailgate has finally been replaced despite the dealer and Fiat both saying water ingress is normal on this car and for all owners to check there tailgates. My dealer also stated that water in the tailgate was normal, so if it is "normal" then why would they replace it? Seems to me Fiat have yet ANOTHER common fault but are trying to deny it!
What car!!!!!
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Just been having a look at the readers reviews on the What Car website. Came accross one from a dude called Martin Day from Bucks. Has the same make and model as me and also has had probs with the water getting in to the tailgate. He says that he's tailgate has finally been replaced despite the dealer and Fiat both saying water ingress is normal on this car and for all owners to check there tailgates. My dealer also stated that water in the tailgate was normal, so if it is "normal" then why would they replace it? Seems to me Fiat have yet ANOTHER common fault but are trying to deny it!
why would any manafacturer design and build a car ,that allows water to penetrate ANYWHERE? Do they not know that it is not unusual for britain to get a wee bit of rain now and then.
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Door are built so water runs through them & out the bottom at the drain holes.
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I do not accept that a car can be designed for water to pass through the inner skin (anywhere), it will rust. Not only that, when you open the tailgate you get piddled on?!? This IS a common fault with this vehicle. Fiat would not replace a tail gate for someone knowing that there was nothing wrong with it, after all the dude's only gonna come back saying that its doing it again?!?
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Re: Water in boot lid? Grande Punto Active Sport

"Many people have the idea that doors are sealed against water getting inside them. They are not! Water can go into the door; it runs through the door, and it runs out of small drain holes down in the bottom of the door"
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http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/goss/2624.shtml

Seeing that you dont believe me!


Most tailgates have drain holes aswell.......think of the brava with washer hose that comes off all the time,it leaks out of bottom corners.My focus has boot drain holes...problems arise when these holes are blocked & water cant get out.I'm not saying this is the issue here....however it is NOT a common fault with this vehicle,I work on them everyday.
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Hi,welcome to the forum

No need to email,this is a forum

Yes I have came across GP's leaking,your dealer will sort it for you
If you do work work on this vehicle everyday you must be a very busy man what with all the common faults

My previous Punto didnt drain water out of the tailgate when i opened it, nor does my Seat, nor did my Polo, Corsa, Escort, Mazda...shall i go on? This is not normal. And as i previously mentioned if this is normal there is no way in Hell Fiat would have changed a guys Tailgate knowing it was working 100% fine. Its hard enough to get them to fix a fault they DO admit to and know about!!!

Anyway we will ahve to agree to disagree as my purpose for this posting was to find out what the problem is, as i do believe it is a problem and hopefully get it sorted. As many others, not just on this site but other sites, have also had this problem. I see it as a common fault. Getting peed on when i open the tailgate after washing the car or rain is a fault and it is common.
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Re: Water in boot lid? Grande Punto Active Sport

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If you do work work on this vehicle everyday you must be a very busy man what with all the common faults
No not really,no more faults than any other car.Infact now the initial teething troubles have been ironed out we see very few come in now for faults but are seeing the first lot coming in for services with no problems.

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My previous Punto didnt drain water out of the tailgate when i opened it, nor does my Seat, nor did my Polo, Corsa, Escort, Mazda...shall i go on?
If you want,my reply was in answer to....."I do not accept that a car can be designed for water to pass through the inner skin (anywhere), it will rust."


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This is not normal. And as i previously mentioned if this is normal there is no way in Hell Fiat would have changed a guys Tailgate knowing it was working 100% fine. Its hard enough to get them to fix a fault they DO admit to and know about!!!
Obviously you have made up your mind on the basis of someones elses car from a 'whatcar' forum so there really is little point in me going on,despite the fact that the whole story is not known & you seem adamant to accuse Fiat of knowing of faults & not admitting they exist.The fact I attend Fiat quality meetings,am up to date on any faults,talk to other garages on a daily basis obviously means nothing!
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How can i sit on the internet and check out several (not just whatcar) internet sites and read comments from lots and lots of people all stating that they are having problems with water trapped in the tailgate of there GP. (As well as people repying to this thread saying they are also having the same problem) However you attend Fiat quality meetings are to date on any faults, talk to other garages on a daily basis but this fault is unknown?!?

You must be attending the wrong meetings and talking to the wrong garages my friend as i spoke to a Fiat Specialist today and he said Fiat ARE aware of the fault of water collecting in the tailgate. Hey that must make it a common fault right!?

You may try to play the common faults down as mere teething problems but they are not. They exist, and too many of them and they shouldn't. People like Donnie Darko and Fraggle and myself do not pay thousands of pounds for a car that develops common faults within weeks. It's not acceptable. Getting a new car is exciting and should be enjoyable not a right pain the the friggin arse with the car going back to the dealer ever week! So forgive us if we sound peeved off but so would you be.

Now can we let sleeping dogs lie and concentrate on getting to the bottom of this problem as i wanna get it fixed and hopefully help the others out there that also have this problem to get theres fixed too.
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Firstly........'tolittlekingdom',please read my posts,they were in response to your inaccurate description of water not being in any part of a car.

Secondly......

Please dont accuse me of trying to play down any potential faults...may I point you to the sticky 'common faults' thread that I started for the benefit of GP owners and potential GP owners.
What I will also do is use my position to correctly report any dealings/problems I have came across and as to this date there have been reports of water leaks at the tailgate but not what you describe.

All cars have initial teething problems when they are released that no amount of pre-production testing could forsee.I have worked for many manufactuers & am very familiar and am involved with new product reported faults...to say this only happens with Fiat is a laughable comment.

I prefer to report/read about the facts when they are known,not before or after as some people will no doubt jump to conclusions.
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I have suffered with this problem on 06 plate 1.4 sport and despite recieving letter from dealer and fiat uk saying this is normal and two botched repairs one to wiper gromet and second by applying silicone sealant to spoiler and high level brake light.I had to threaten rejection of the car before they finally replaced the tailgate and problem is now sorted this however is not the end of the story this vehicle has visited dealer 15 times spending a total of 28 days in the dealership and also broke down recently due to frozen air flow sensor which is also due to low mileage covered by this vehicle.I am now in the process of rejecting this vehicle for the second time due to poor quality and awaiting finance companies response i was told the other day that fiat stood for fix it again tony and in my case this is certainly true any advice or help would be appreciated.
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I have suffered with this problem on 06 plate 1.4 sport and despite recieving letter from dealer and fiat uk saying this is normal and two botched repairs one to wiper gromet and second by applying silicone sealant to spoiler and high level brake light.I had to threaten rejection of the car before they finally replaced the tailgate and problem is now sorted this however is not the end of the story this vehicle has visited dealer 15 times spending a total of 28 days in the dealership and also broke down recently due to frozen air flow sensor which is also due to low mileage covered by this vehicle.I am now in the process of rejecting this vehicle for the second time due to poor quality and awaiting finance companies response i was told the other day that fiat stood for fix it again tony and in my case this is certainly true any advice or help would be appreciated.
regards martin day milton keynes.
Seems more than a few peole have complained of this.....hopefully there will be some good news to report soon on a permanent fix for this.

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