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Yes, its unfortunate....... I wonder where the nearest really experienced techs are for the dualogic, if Fiat is new to Australia?
Must be an opportunity to emigrate for T
Technical First to second gear (pt1)
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Yes, its unfortunate....... I wonder where the nearest really experienced techs are for the dualogic, if Fiat is new to Australia?
Must be an opportunity to emigrate for T
As i'm asware it seems Kev has run out of options where to turn to next?
Must be an opportunity to emigrate for T
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Lets keep things simple..........ask garage to loan you a dualogic for a week,if its ok then your car definately 100% has a fault.Then you can safely go down the rejection/replacement route.
I think this is the best option right now.
Like T mentioned earlier, you dont want to be mis diagnosing the "fault" if it is common amongst dualogic cars.
try and get a loaner for a week or even a weekend. test it in your conditions as a normal week would be and see if there is a difference.
you dont want to reject it and them turn round and say that is how dualogic is.
I think this is the best option right now.
Like T mentioned earlier, you dont want to be mis diagnosing the "fault" if it is common amongst dualogic cars.
try and get a loaner for a week or even a weekend. test it in your conditions as a normal week would be and see if there is a difference.
you dont want to reject it and them turn round and say that is how dualogic is.
I remember seeing a post saying he had test drove a Dualogic which had also juddered (Turbodiesel was that you?), so I really can't be the only one with this problem - surely there are happy Dualogic owners out there.
Let's assume the problem only affects a certain batch. What would my options then be?
I've sold a good 30+ Dualogics and not had anyone come back complaining of a juddering clutch.
yes, a couple came back on the back of a low loader as they had broken down but a quickfix sorted that and they are fine again now
yes, a couple came back on the back of a low loader as they had broken down but a quickfix sorted that and they are fine again now
One thing to bear in mind though, the problem is only there after leaving it cold for a few days, so if someone drives it everyday, then they won't notice it. I only drive it once or twice a week (I live close to where I work and there's no parking anyway), that's why its obvious to me. I might be making a big deal out of it, but a fault is a fault, isn't it?
Think of your car as a manual (forget the dualogic part) what now do you think the fault is? Clutch? The dualogic unit is controled by valves..if there was a fault in one of these it would select that particular gear(s),the rest of the system is hydraulic & very reliable however it has to be set up correctly.
OK so someone else has reported a similar fault (2 in the world that we know off?) ...end of the day you sometimes have to find a fault by process of elimination & the only way to do that is to drive a similar car.
OK so someone else has reported a similar fault (2 in the world that we know off?) ...end of the day you sometimes have to find a fault by process of elimination & the only way to do that is to drive a similar car.
Isn't that a good enough reason to reject it now then? They can experiment all they want but not on my car.
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No that wasn't me Kev, I think it may have been another member.
Another thing, it's really hard for us to know exactly how your gearbox behaves just by you explaining it and also to know how serious it may be. If it only happens after a couple of days maybe it has something to do with the gearbox fluid being cold?
I currently drive an automatic and when it's cold it you can feel the jerk when it shifts gears and it smooths out when it has warmed up. Now that is a characteristic of all autos, not a fault.
My current understanding of your car is that you start the car, take off fine but when it shifts into second gear it kind of vibrates a little (or a lot) but it's fine in other gears. Is this correct?
Another thing, it's really hard for us to know exactly how your gearbox behaves just by you explaining it and also to know how serious it may be. If it only happens after a couple of days maybe it has something to do with the gearbox fluid being cold?
I currently drive an automatic and when it's cold it you can feel the jerk when it shifts gears and it smooths out when it has warmed up. Now that is a characteristic of all autos, not a fault.
My current understanding of your car is that you start the car, take off fine but when it shifts into second gear it kind of vibrates a little (or a lot) but it's fine in other gears. Is this correct?
Not quite; its when I'm standing still in first, start to move off, it judders (before I reach the rev point to shift to second).
I'm trying to cast my mind back to when I was driving my auto Liberty, I've always noticed a jerk also (in first I think), but that's most probably because I stuffed it up by treating it like a manual (it had a manual button that can be switched on). I drove mom's Camry (auto) last night, but no juddering/jerking..
If its a common characteristic, then I have absolutely no problem with it. Can anyone else confirm if that's the case for autos?
Just asked a friend who drives an auto (Ford Cougar MY2000), and he said his doesn't judder/jerk..
Kev it ISNT an Auto in the sense that the ford is.
Your is Dualogic. a manual gearbox with a electronic actuator to change gear!
the ford will be a simple CVt box. completely different to yours!
that's what we have been saying all along, it isnt a standard auto box in your car. it will feel very manual like to drive.
the jerk your talking about is the standard changing of gears but as you are accelrating quite hard to set off it will be more pronounced compared to the rest of the gears due to easing off as you gain speed.
All i can suggest is to borrow a car from them for a few days and see what theirs is like. I think this would clear up a lot of issues!
the jerk your talking about is the standard changing of gears but as you are accelrating quite hard to set off it will be more pronounced compared to the rest of the gears due to easing off as you gain speed.
All i can suggest is to borrow a car from them for a few days and see what theirs is like. I think this would clear up a lot of issues!
It makes very little difference if the courtesy car judders or not - mine does, they can't fix it, shouldn't it be replaced/refunded?
Turbodiesel
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To me "Judder" has a different meaning to "Jerk". Jerk meaning a single quick movement, for example when an auto is cold and changes gears it feels like someone gently kicked the back on your seat. Some auto gearboxes are smoother than others but like I said it's only when it's cold. I know a fair bit about cars from watching Top Gear and magazines etc and every time there's a review on an automated manual gearbox they always say how jerky they are when shifting gears, meaning you can feel it happen.
So I'd say a small "Jerk" with a gear change is normal, however if it "Judders" as in continuous jerks then it's a problem.
Did you get all that?
I think before you go any further you should be 129% sure that it is actually a fault.
To me "Judder" has a different meaning to "Jerk". Jerk meaning a single quick movement, for example when an auto is cold and changes gears it feels like someone gently kicked the back on your seat. Some auto gearboxes are smoother than others but like I said it's only when it's cold. I know a fair bit about cars from watching Top Gear and magazines etc and every time there's a review on an automated manual gearbox they always say how jerky they are when shifting gears, meaning you can feel it happen.
So I'd say a small "Jerk" with a gear change is normal, however if it "Judders" as in continuous jerks then it's a problem.
Did you get all that?
I think before you go any further you should be 129% sure that it is actually a fault.
Its definitely juddering then.
Turbodiesel
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So in essence does it behave similar to a manual when you take off with not enough revs and the engine "Judders" and then picks up when you accelerate?
I can't really answer that because I've been an auto driver all my life, but I would imagine its the same (i.e. clutch judder)?
Clutch judder which has been whats said all along!
Its already been said now are you sure the car is faulty?
Why dont you use a courtesy car for a week? Were trying to offer/advise solutions but your not willing to try them.Your not used too & dont understand the workings of a dualogic system....which by the way is (& will be) becoming more widespread here in Europe & everywhere else.
Kev you cant keep coming here moaning & do nothing about it,you have been given technical & some legal advice now do something about it.
Its all getting a little tiring now,theres nothing more we can say & are just repeating ourselves.
p.s. a automatic uses a torque convertor,your car doesn't have one so you cant compare a dual logic to a automatic.
Its already been said now are you sure the car is faulty?
Why dont you use a courtesy car for a week? Were trying to offer/advise solutions but your not willing to try them.Your not used too & dont understand the workings of a dualogic system....which by the way is (& will be) becoming more widespread here in Europe & everywhere else.
Kev you cant keep coming here moaning & do nothing about it,you have been given technical & some legal advice now do something about it.
Its all getting a little tiring now,theres nothing more we can say & are just repeating ourselves.
p.s. a automatic uses a torque convertor,your car doesn't have one so you cant compare a dual logic to a automatic.
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