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barryburns

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we have had a fiat grande punto brand new two months ago and its still in the garage we paid top price for the car the matalic paint had runs there was dents all over the doors and chips in the paint everywhere the petrol cap was black not matalic black to many things wrong they have tried to fix all the problems but everytime we get it back its worse so we have to leave it there and get another hire car from them we have tried 3 times to let them solve the problems anybody got the same probs what can we do we have sent letters and meetings all the time phone calls can anyone help as fiat customer relaitions dont want to know as well even though we bought the car from an authorised dealer we want to get this sorted as they are not verry helpfull thanks:bang:
 
I'm sorry to hear that, but why did you accept it when you went to pick it up if it had runs in the metallic paint, there where dents and chips all over the doors and the petrol cap was black not metallic black. With all respect but didn't you check out the car when you picked it up or did you reject it when you were there?
 
go and say your rejecting the car and want a refund/cancel finance if you have any etc, fcking throw everything at them say your contacting trading standards agency, bbc watchdog, local papers/radio. Something should make them sit up and pay attention and hopefully buck their ideas up!
 
I know from good authority that the Fiat dealers are not meant to be helpful when it comes to warranty questions.

As said in all the previous posts, reject it. You might face oposition from them trying to tell you that the law says...

Just disregard it because they then try to make you unsure of your course of action. They have no leg to stand on.
 
mines had a few scratches and a dent on the roof and i rejected it they tried to tell me that basically i was ****ed and i either like it or lumpit so i just foned trading standars infront of them with the speaker phone on so they could hear the call and i told them that i wanted to make a full complaint i started giving managers names and sales persons names and they started flappin and i got it exchanged had to wait another 3 days though but *** its there fault not ures
 
What's up with all these damaged GP's that are being delivered? I'm really start to worry for when I can pick up mine. :(
 
Up date on my car, thanks for all the info that you have been giving me. i did send a letter of complaint to customer relations at fiat at first which lead them to reply by phone and letter offering me that they will cover the cost of my next 2 services this letter and phone call dated 28/3/2006 but on futher phone call to fiat about this unresolved matter they say they cannot do nothink about it because i am signed a contract with GLYN HOPKINS, i have also been in contact with the trading standards on a couple of times i asked them if they could interveen and they said they can only advise me, which they have and i have done what they have said to do, i have also been in contact with the customer care co-ordinator kathy buggey after rejecting the car for a second time in nearly two months telling her i want a replacement car or my money back as i no my rights speaking to the trading standeds and citizens advice bureaux she told me that i coulnt have a new car or my money back iasked her to put that in writing and she said she was not prepaired to do that saying the cars paint work is under warranty, the last letter that i sent to glyn hopkin were i purchased the car saying i was requesting they either replace the car or give me a refund and to give me a written response within seven days or i will have no alternative but to seek legal advice and may consider local newspapers, i have had no responce they dont care, everybody is telling me what to do and i am doing it but i am still getting no ware fast but im going to stick to my guns and maybe get a solicitor as the sales rep has done a p d i report and road test the car came with no mileage so how did he do a road test im going to request the pre delivery inspection report and see what happens and what he has put down :bang:
 
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I decided to give my dealer a call because all these posts about damaged GP's are making me nervous. He was really honest telling me that it sometimes happends that a new car arrives with scratches, dents or chips, but that I not have to worry. He said that if they get the car damaged they don't accept the car themselves because they are the customer from FIAT Netherlands. What happends is then is that there comes a inspector from FIAT Netherlands to check the damaged car en when everything is put on paper the dealer gets the finances (they are insured for transport damage) from FIAT Netherlands to repair the car. He told me that they really need the business and the last they need are unhappy customers that don't return.

What keeps their business run are repairs and maintenance of the car so he needs me to come back to him being a happy customer. In the end of the call he said he will let me know when the car arrives so I can come to take a look before I transfer the money. He was really suprised about the stories from this forum and told me that as far as he knows they have the same construction in the UK so why those dealers didn't claim the damaged GP's with FIAT UK?


I feel more calm now and very content with my dealer (let's hope it will stay that way).
 
why cant UK dealers offer a level of service like that?

well done fiat netherlands :worship:
 
Right, here's the lowdown.

You DO have the right to reject the car. The following is taken from www.honestjohn.co.uk. Read this carefully, and follow the recommendations to the the letter.

Good luck:

3. How do I reject a duff car or get compensation for problems with a car I have bought from a dealer?

You have to invoke Sale of Goods Act 1979 as modified by Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994, contending that the supplier is in breach of contract to you for supplying a car which was not "of satisfactory quality", or did not remain so for a reasonable period of time. Appeal Court Case law (Bernstein v/s Palmerston Motors 1987) has held that the supplier must be given three chances to rectify the fault for which the goods are rejected and must have failed to do so. The goods must be returned to the supplier together with all keys and paperwork. And the supplier (in the case of a car the dealer principal of the dealership) must be sent a letter by recorded delivery detailing why the car has been rejected as not "of satisfactory quality". Case law (Rogers v/s Parrish 1987) has put a limit of 6 months on the time you can successfully reject a car and obtain a full refund, though lesser refunds, taking account of mileage covered, may be obtained outside that period. The price you pay compared to market value will be taken into account. So if you buy a cheap car on trade terms you cannot reject it under the Act. And if you buy a cheap car (under £2,000) on retail terms from a trader, you cannot reasonably expect it to be perfect.

The Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002, derived from EU Directive 1999/44/EU which became Clauses 48A to 48F inclusive of the Sale of Goods act in April 2003. This reverses the burden of proof so that if goods go faulty within six months after purchase it is deemed they were faulty at the time of purchase and the trader has the onus of proving that the item is not defective due to a manufacturing defect.


www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/cars.htm

during the first six months:

the consumer returns the goods in the first six months from the date of sale and requests a repair or replacement or a partial refund. In that case, the consumer does not have to prove the goods were faulty at the time of sale. It is assumed that they were. If the retailer does not agree, it is for the retailer to prove that the goods were satisfactory at the time of sale. This comes from Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002, derived from EU Directive 1999/44/EU which became Clauses 48A to 48F inclusive of the Sale of Goods act in April 2003

after the first six months:

Under sale of goods legislation (Sale of Goods Act 1979, Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994) consumers are entitled to expect that any goods they buy are of satisfactory quality. That is, that the goods meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory taking into account the way they are described, their price, and any other relevant circumstances, such as the fact that they are second-hand or used. ... ..

If a product that was not of satisfactory quality at the time of the sale is returned to the retailer, the buyer is entitled to a full refund (if it is within a reasonable time of the sale), or, if a “reasonable time “ has elapsed, to a reasonable amount of compensation. The consumer needs to demonstrate the goods were not of satisfactory quality at the time of sale. This is so if the consumer chooses to request an immediate refund or compensation. It is also the case for any product returned more than six months after the date of sale.

If the amount is less than £5,000 and qualifies for the Small Claims Court then any decision made does not become case law.

However, if it goes to the County Court, then a decision does become case law. County Court rulings can be overruled by Appeal Court rulings which then become case law. And cases will be argued on the facts. So though the Sale and Supply of Goods Act may appear to give you rights, your true rights are governed by case law and asserting them can be very expensive.
 
hi, thanks for info, its nice to no i am not on my own and people are trying to help me it has been such a stressful time, i thought buying a brand new car would be stress free ha ha i have brought second hand cars all my life and had no trouble, i had been looking for a car for about a year and dident like any until i see the grande punto, loved the shape and the inside of the car looked great ( wish i had stuck with my ford ka ) also when i picked up the car all the seats was hanging out of the back i had to push them through the seatbelts and there was small stickers left on parts of the car to, that i had to take off and wen they gave me a courtesy it run out of petrol half a mile down the road what a night mare.
 
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