Teirminator said:

Why are you replying to yourself?

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Communicating with op compax trying to help with his crazy mixed up front brakes

The car will have the same brakes as the 1.9 diesel because of the turbo. Instead of messing about with different hubs, as lets be honest no one would change those for a brake change, clean the disc and pads. I'd imagine its some kind of contaminant. If the car brakes but squeaks, then its still braking.

Teirminator said:

The car will have the same brakes as the 1.9 diesel because of the turbo. Instead of messing about with different hubs, as lets be honest no one would change those for a brake change, clean the disc and pads. I'd imagine its some kind of contaminant. If the car brakes but squeaks, then its still braking.

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Please have a look at his photos and read thread from beginning.

Its not as simple as just squeaking.

The pads are not rubbing on the correct part of discs, the pads are not rubbing on the outer several millimetres, of the disc.

The guy is in Finland, very little history of car prior to his ownership.

Appears his problems started when he had the correct discs and pads for the model of his car fitted. I cross referenced part numbers he posted and they are correct via a vin check. They are definitely not right as per his photos. So if discs and pads are not right with what they are bolted too that leads me to what they are bolted too being incorrect for car.
They are bolted to pad carriers and pad carriers bolted to knuckles.

Maybe you can help?

Sure, you can recommend to the guy to throw money at a 12/13 year old car for a full conversion. At the end of the day if you are getting normal brake performance and nothing is deteriorated then live with it until you get a new car. The only other option is go to a scrapyard and find the exact model of car or order everything OEM, assuming countries got the same parts but I doubt they did being around Italy.

jackwhoo said:

Please have a look at his photos and read thread from beginning.

Its not as simple as just squeaking.

The pads are not rubbing on the correct part of discs, the pads are not rubbing on the outer several millimetres, of the disc.

The guy is in Finland, very little history of car prior to his ownership.

Appears his problems started when he had the correct discs and pads for the model of his car fitted. I cross referenced part numbers he posted and they are correct via a vin check. They are definitely not right as per his photos. So if discs and pads are not right with what they are bolted too that leads me to what they are bolted too being incorrect for car.
They are bolted to pad carriers and pad carriers bolted to knuckles.

Maybe you can help?

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Thank you very much for all your posts, I have read it all and I think you might be right.

The car is from Denmark, and I'm now staying in the Netherlands.

All I know about the car is that it most likely has had 2 owners, one guy had it almost 9 years, he then sold it to another guy who did not treat the car very well, he also only had it for about 8 months before selling it to me. The original owner really took good care of the car, and it would seem to have been maintained at a dealer.

My big question now is what now?
What do I tell my garage on monday?

Is it easy to change and get parts for all of this? Sorry but this is all out of my range of knowledge.

Would it be possible to just get different pads and discs? So wrong for my car, but right for what is on the car?

Or would it just be live with it/sell it?
Would be pretty hard selling the car with this issue, and I really like the car, So would be hard to sell it.

Thank you again for all your input!

Teirminator said:

Sure, you can recommend to the guy to throw money at a 12/13 year old car for a full conversion. At the end of the day if you are getting normal brake performance and nothing is deteriorated then live with it until you get a new car. The only other option is go to a scrapyard and find the exact model of car or order everything OEM, assuming countries got the same parts but I doubt they did being around Italy.

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The poster appears to want to get to the bottom of it(he took it to a main dealer for example) and is not happy with how it currently is. If you read whole thread you will see I have said at least it is drivable as it is.

I am giving him options to look into if he wishes.

If you want to help and you have the same braking set up you could remove a pad carrier and take pictures with a tape measure for scale and post them.

Or you can sit back and throw criticism.

You call it criticism, I call it an opinion. I don't have the same braking set up now as I've adapted Abarth Brembos. To fit the correct pads and discs you would need to know what the carrier is from, and then hope you can get a disc to match. I would imagine the part has been sourced from a Vauxhall/Opel Corsa as they share a lot of parts.

If they guy didn't treat the car well, the chances are he wouldn't have changed the brakes at all, don't assume because he mistreated it that he would have changed anything.

If it's annoying you that much, I would try and find a local little garage. Explain the problem to them and chances are they would be more than happy to help. Chances are they're also friends with breakers yards and could get you needed parts cheaper.

Compax said:

Thank you very much for all your posts, I have read it all and I think you might be right.

The car is from Denmark, and I'm now staying in the Netherlands.

All I know about the car is that it most likely has had 2 owners, one guy had it almost 9 years, he then sold it to another guy who did not treat the car very well, he also only had it for about 8 months before selling it to me. The original owner really took good care of the car, and it would seem to have been maintained at a dealer.

My big question now is what now?
What do I tell my garage on monday?

Is it easy to change and get parts for all of this? Sorry but this is all out of my range of knowledge.

Would it be possible to just get different pads and discs? So wrong for my car, but right for what is on the car?

Or would it just be live with it/sell it?
Would be pretty hard selling the car with this issue, and I really like the car, So would be hard to sell it.

Thank you again for all your input!

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Sorry I said you were in Finland!

Measure the part of outer edge of disc that pads have not been rubbing on or ask garage to do it.
If it is about 12mm then you could try see if discs from non turbo 1.4 will fit putting the pad rubbing on the correct part of disc.
This is a big gamble because no one knows what has been changed on the front of your car apart from the person who did it(Can you ask person you bought car from?)

Otherwise 1,keep car put up with squeaking.

2 , find scrap yard that has the set of correct parts to get your garage to fit to put your car back to how it came from factory.

Teirminator said:

You call it criticism, I call it an opinion. I don't have the same braking set up now as I've adapted Abarth Brembos. To fit the correct pads and discs you would need to know what the carrier is from, and then hope you can get a disc to match. I would imagine the part has been sourced from a Vauxhall/Opel Corsa as they share a lot of parts.

If they guy didn't treat the car well, the chances are he wouldn't have changed the brakes at all, don't assume because he mistreated it that he would have changed anything.

If it's annoying you that much, I would try and find a local little garage. Explain the problem to them and chances are they would be more than happy to help. Chances are they're also friends with breakers yards and could get you needed parts cheaper.

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Nice that you have changed your tune and are now trying to help, much better
Thank you

His car is currently at his local garage , who are aware of the problem

jackwhoo said:

Sorry I said you were in Finland!

Measure the part of outer edge of disc that pads have not been rubbing on or ask garage to do it.
If it is about 12mm then you could try see if discs from non turbo 1.4 will fit putting the pad rubbing on the correct part of disc.
This is a big gamble because no one knows what has been changed on the front of your car apart from the person who did it(Can you ask person you bought car from?)

Otherwise 1,keep car put up with squeaking.

2 , find scrap yard that has the set of correct parts to get your garage to fit to put your car back to how it came from factory.

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Thank you very much, this is very clear!

Ï will ask them monday morning, and update when I know more.

I texted the guy I bought the car from and also asked if he has contact info on the original owner.

Also gonna be looking at different junkyards, as they must have the parts I need.

Thanks again!

That's great news.
You have been told car is safe so keep using it and take your time finding the parts you need from a scrap yard(scrap yards sell on ebay) at a price you are happy with .then ask your garage to fit . They will be happy to hear you have chosen your plan of action.
Good luck , keep us informed.

jackwhoo said:

That's great news.
You have been told car is safe so keep using it and take your time finding the parts you need from a scrap yard(scrap yards sell on ebay) at a price you are happy with .then ask your garage to fit . They will be happy to hear you have chosen your plan of action.
Good luck , keep us informed.

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One last question... I know this was kinda said but just need to be sure what i'm looking for.

I already found a GP t-jet an hour from where I live, but for how long that junkyard has had it, it does not say.

But what would potentially be the parts I need?

Are we talking a whole front end?

Can I go there myself and have the junkyard take the parts off and have it in my car? Or would it be better to have the garage call and maybe have the whole car transported?

Thanks!
Sorry for the silly question

Not talking a whole front end, only one or two parts. You might need to remove the parts yourself, depends on the junkyard.

Could ask the garage what parts, then get them from the car. Not a whole car.

Compax said:

One last question... I know this was kinda said but just need to be sure what i'm looking for.

I already found a GP t-jet an hour from where I live, but for how long that junkyard has had it, it does not say.

But what would potentially be the parts I need?

Are we talking a whole front end?

Can I go there myself and have the junkyard take the parts off and have it in my car? Or would it be better to have the garage call and maybe have the whole car transported?

Thanks!
Sorry for the silly question

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Not silly questions
Some Scrapyars will let you remove the parts you want, this is becoming less common in UK and not what you want to do.
Some Scrap yards take the parts off for you.
Some scrap yards have already taken the cars apart and have the used parts in warehouse waiting to be sold.

You would have to call them and ask.

Parts you need for both sides from scrap yard are

1 Caliper,

2 the part the caliper is bolted too which is the pad carrier,

3 the part the pad carrier bolts too, this part has the wheel bearing in and the drive shaft goes through it(fiat call it the tower, in UK we call it hub carrier or the knuckle)
Best case is you will get all that from a matching car still assembled as one assembly, scrap yard may not bother to remove disc/pads if it's in bad condition.

Depending on what was done to your car you may not need all those parts but my opinion is get them. That way your garage will have everything needed in one go even if they don't use everything. That will save garage time and reduce garage bill.
You may even be able to return any unused parts but if not don't worry.

Best case is garage just have to use pad carriers.
In any case if scrap yard send all correct parts your car will be back to having correct brake set up as it was made in factory.



Good luck

jackwhoo said:

Not silly questions
Some Scrapyars will let you remove the parts you want, this is becoming less common in UK and not what you want to do.
Some Scrap yards take the parts off for you.
Some scrap yards have already taken the cars apart and have the used parts in warehouse waiting to be sold.

You would have to call them and ask.

Parts you need for both sides from scrap yard are

1 Caliper,

2 the part the caliper is bolted too which is the pad carrier,

3 the part the pad carrier bolts too, this part has the wheel bearing in and the drive shaft goes through it(fiat call it the tower, in UK we call it hub carrier or the knuckle)
Best case is you will get all that from a matching car still assembled as one assembly, scrap yard may not bother to remove disc/pads if it's in bad condition.

Depending on what was done to your car you may not need all those parts but my opinion is get them. That way your garage will have everything needed in one go even if they don't use everything. That will save garage time and reduce garage bill.
You may even be able to return any unused parts but if not don't worry.

Best case is garage just have to use pad carriers.
In any case if scrap yard send all correct parts your car will be back to having correct brake set up as it was made in factory.



Good luck

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Thanks that sounds like a really solid and clear plan.

I Will give the junkyard a ring monday, i already found out they have 2 T-jets on their website, but not sure in what shape they still are, or for how Long they have been standing.

I can give an update on previous owners. Last night i texted the Guy i bought it from, and he told me that he had never had anything changed in the front of the car. I asked where he got the car which was from the same dealer the car was bought from back in 2008. I did some digging and my theory is that the guy who bought it, traded the car in for another one after around 9-10 years. The papers for my car state he traded in a blue Panda for this Punto, so it would Seem he did the same now.

I called up the dealer, and they did know the car very well they said they had maintained the car from 2008 till 2016. I asked for info on brakes and his system would only let him go 7 years back. I asked if they had ever done any big repair or just done the brakes in the front and he said No. After talking for 10 mins and going through a Lot of papers he said as far as he could see, they had not done any repairs or maintance on the front brakes. They did note that there were not that many things done to the car from 2009 to around 2013 but from then they worked on the car almost every year. His conclusion was that the only thing that would make sense was if the car had been crashed, but he said there was no report of that anywhere, so that was maybe also not likely.

Just a small update! Feel like i know my car a Lot better now!

Thanks for all the tips and advice, i Will post tomorrow what i find out.

Wow well done following up all those people.

This is a real mystery.......
It will be solved.

Very unlikely it came out of factory like that and went un noticed till you found it.

UPDATE

Maybe not the update we were all hoping for, or expected.

This morning I spent some time looking for different junkyards, and one got back to me and they do seem to have the parts in stock that I need for my car, which is great.

I texted the garage that still had my car if they needed any help, and if I could drop by too discuss with them some of the good input I have had from the forum. About 4 hours went by without hearning anything from them, and then I get an email saying "Hey sorry we did not reply, you can drop by that is fine, and oh yeah we decided to change both your calipers in the front. If this does not fix the issue, then we will take them off free of charge."

I was a little shocked, but thought: oh well better see what this helps.

I picked up the car and drove home, so far no issues, but as with this issue it usually takes a couple of days to come back, after everything has been lubricated, etc.

As people have said there properly needs to be done more work on the car, and I do not expect this to solve my issue fully. The garage told me to drive with it for a week, and post back and findings.

Since my car is back, I decided to take a quick look at the discs and now more then ever I really do see what people are saying, something really does not look right. Below are pictures of my discs on the left side in the front. (Sorry for really dirty rims, car has not been in a wash for months as it has just been going back and forth from shops)
FIAT




Here is by the way a comparison picture of my girlfriends Corsa from the same year, where you can see her brakes are fine.
OPEL

Hi welcome back,
Bit sooner than expected .
Firstly sounds like the garage is trying help. Though I don't know why they have changed calipers for identical calipers.

Secondly I see one side has the correctly sized splash shield behind disc.

Third go to scrap yard and see where pads rub on disc on scrap car. If its same as yours fiat screwed up and they are all the same. If pads on scrap car rub closer to outside edge of disc get the pad carriers of that car.

Forth if pads currently fitted to your car match the brembo part number you previously posted they are the correct height. So the most you will achieve my putting this right is moving the band the pads rub on toward the outer edge of disc.
That is to say the unrubbed bit of disc will be nearer the centre of wheel.

What engine is in girlfriends car?
Please measure height of unrubbed part of disc outer edge.

And height of rubbed bit.

jackwhoo said:

Hi welcome back,
Bit sooner than expected .
Firstly sounds like the garage is trying help. Though I don't know why they have changed calipers for identical calipers.

Secondly I see one side has the correctly sized splash shield behind disc.

Third go to scrap yard and see where pads rub on disc on scrap car. If its same as yours fiat screwed up and they are all the same. If pads on scrap car rub closer to outside edge of disc get the pad carriers of that car.

Forth if pads currently fitted to your car match the brembo part number you previously posted they are the correct height. So the most you will achieve my putting this right is moving the band the pads rub on toward the outer edge of disc.
That is to say the unrubbed bit of disc will be nearer the centre of wheel.

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Yeah I was also not really sure what good it would make.

The nearest scrap yard that has them is 1 hour away, maybe I could drop by in the weekend or something. Either that or I will have to text them to send a picture.

Would fixing the pad carrier fix the squeaking? That is kinda of the answer the dealer came to, but they said it would be too expensive for them to fix for me.

These pads that are on my car right now are not the same as the ones I posted before. I had those put on, and that is when the squeaking started. The garage then said to change discs and pads, which is now both Brembo, sadly though I do not have part numbers. They have said multiple times tho that these match the OEM specs and the dealer said they looked the same as the ones they were gonna put on.

This is the best I could do with a sewing measure tape, hope this helps.


Regarding the Corsa, it is the 1.4 petrol engine.