so in the privacy of my own small yard on this fine day I decided to replace my rear shoes

slacked handbrake inside the car

struggled getting the drums off, but got there in the end, cleaned them up a bit and give them some black paint

starting on the left side, took old shoes off, quite worn, probably the originals

struggled to get adjuster working, to work it you plung the entire rod in, this moves the sleeve and the metal tab pushes the adjuster nut round, well it should - it wasnt happening at first, see this rather poor video of it trying to work

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ykNaqaMaypK39MqH8

after this, I found that adjusting the tab with pointly pliers meant it was now working proper

so refitting new shoes, they were too small

the car brake parts eller I bought them off last year confirmed they were right for my car, but they are obviously for a 1.2 petrol, which probably has smaller rear drums



so, had to put old ones back on

lots of swearing, took place trying to get them back on

drums still wet with paint, they will get put back tomorrow

really annoyed, but hey ho :bang:

Wrong diameter..or just width?

varesecrazy said:

Wrong diameter..or just width?

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Both by look's of the picture?

varesecrazy said:

Wrong diameter..or just width?

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both

drums will be back on tomorrow when paint is dry, and I will have a go at the front pads hopefully with more success

How is the inner side of the drums ? can you feel the shoes have made their path (groove) in ? If so (which is more likely), I'd recommend to grind the step off before fitting them back, they will be WAY more easy to remove next time ...

BRs, Bernie

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Bernievarian said:

How is the inner side of the drums ? can you feel the shoes have made their path (groove) in ? If so (which is more likely), I'd recommend to grind the step off before fitting them back, they will be WAY more easy to remove next time ...

BRs, Bernie

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there was a bit of a lip, and I did grind it off

levemircento said:

there was a bit of a lip, and I did grind it off

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That lip was what made the removal difficult, as the wear will continue the same sh.. will happen next time. Did you just 'flaten' it or grind-off a nice chamfer ? Doesn't matter if the chamfer goes a bit on the shoe path; there is almost no brake effect on the rear wheels anyway, and the shoes will eventually 'sit-in' correctly ...

BRs, Bernie

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That's so annoying. Happens to me as well sometimes. Since discovering the forum I cross-check part numbers with Eper but when the Ebay listing is plain wrong then there is nothing you can do about it.

side question: Is there a way to check if rear shoes need replacement without taking the drum off? My handbrake is working fine but after ~180.000 km I have the feeling they are going to need to be replaced in the near future. (1.3 JTD Punto EVO). Might as well work on the car now I'm restricted to staying home.

To bernie, yes i ground most of the lip away, i was able to mount the drum on an old mg zr hub mounted backwards in a vice, so i could spin the drum while grinding the lip to get it uniform.

I am going to buy a new set of shoes along with the fitting clips/springs as the existing holding clips were not great

levemircento said:

To bernie, yes i ground most of the lip away, i was able to mount the drum on an old mg zr hub mounted backwards in a vice, so i could spin the drum while grinding the lip to get it uniform.

I am going to buy a new set of shoes along with the fitting clips/springs as the existing holding clips were not great

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I do that.. but on the FIAT..

Reverse drum.. hold onto hub with 2 wheel bolts

Flick it over with your hand.. ..to get it running fairly true..

Then I use a Dremel with a grinding cylinder..

Flick drum spinning.. the Dremel then keeps it all rotating nicely

varesecrazy said:

I do that.. but on the FIAT..

Reverse drum.. hold onto hub with 2 wheel bolts

Flick it over with your hand.. ..to get it running fairly true..

Then I use a Dremel with a grinding cylinder..

Flick drum spinning.. the Dremel then keeps it all rotating nicely

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And another nice trick from Charlie ! I'll use it or sure !!

Best regards and stay safe ...

got my new brakes today of the correct type, also got the new clips and springs kit





getting the new clips on was a swine!

as you can see, the old shoes were well worn, and starting to peel away from the metal.

one side done, run out of energy for today, I might lift up the other side and take wheel off ready to do the same tomorrow.

Thanks for the update and the nice pictures !

Too bad though you haven't cleaned/lubed the wear catch-up mechanism ...


BRs, Bernie

its working freely and clicking round as it should and its inners are lubed, if lube was required on the splines then it would attract brake dust, they were almost solid with old brake dust to begin with and certainly not working.

I have just taken the other side off and that was siezed, a bit of tinkering and spray lube and its now working as it should, it will be left overnight for a final clean before rebuild tomorrow

As far as the inner part has been cleaned and lightly lubed (PTF spray won't attrackt dust BTW) it's fine !
Do you know you can adjust the shoes, once the drum is back on by rotating the little sprocket thru one of the bolts hole ? So you don't have to worry about the shoes position, just manage to get the drum on and then adjust the wear catch-up ...

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getting the new clips on was a swine!

as you can see, run out of energy for today

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Hi.

When I did LOTS of car work.. I had this sorted..

But doing my handbrake cables involved shifting the shoes...

Not too bad a job ...BUT

I Didnt have the pliers I used to employ for these clips... tried several pairs

Different techniques.. still no good

Almost in desperation... I tried
'Something new'

With one hand pushing the shoe to the backplate AND a finger pushing the pin through ( you need to do this..)

Get the spring clip in your other..free hand

With it 'stood up'..
@90' to the shoe.. and up against the pin

Get the pins head in the groove of the clip.. and then try and 'lay down' the clip.. pushing it in an arc towards the shoe

From memory.. the pin hole in the shoe was slotted.. you had to align the clip with the slot..
or one leg of the clip could drop into the slot.. FAIL

Have a play with this..

I'm certainly going to try it next time..

There is always a 'next time' with
4 GP's

hi, thanks. a fresh day and the first clip went on like a dream!, second was a bit trickier and I have used that method you describe before varesecrazy and employed it for this second clip and it went on.

I prefer rear drums over disk brakes, in the past I have had a few cars with rear disks and although they look good through the wheel rim often I found the handbrake to be very poor on them, even with new pads and properly adjusted. Cars with drums though, always a good handbrake and I have found that the shoes need changing less, like with this car they are nearly always the originals.


just got my wheel on, adjested the handbrake cable [will do again after a few days use], now having a break and then starting the front pads which I know will be easy peasy.

so a few months on from fitting these shoes and although it passed its mot in october on the new brakes the handbrake I find to be very poor, even on just a slight slope, and other times it seems ok!

my original drums did have a decent lip which I filed off mostly, would things improve with new drums?

at the time, I did make sure the adjusters were slack and moving as intended

levemircento said:

so a few months on from fitting these shoes and although it passed its mot in october on the new brakes the handbrake I find to be very poor, even on just a slight slope, and other times it seems ok!

my original drums did have a decent lip which I filed off mostly, would things improve with new drums?

at the time, I did make sure the adjusters were slack and moving as intended

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It was remarkable how a new cable..offering a more balanced pull..
Made 'ok' into pretty good

The car is approaching the end.. so it just got a cable onto the shoes that I've been keeping an eye on for 2 years..

Its done naff all since its MOT last Feb.. but the handbrake still feels good when I give it its monthly run around the block

levemircento said:

so a few months on from fitting these shoes and although it passed its mot in october on the new brakes the handbrake I find to be very poor, even on just a slight slope, and other times it seems ok!

my original drums did have a decent lip which I filed off mostly, would things improve with new drums?

at the time, I did make sure the adjusters were slack and moving as intended

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Hi,
If the adjusters were wound right in when you reassembled everything sometimes that stops them working.
Before refitting the drums wind the adjusters out so the drums drag slightly on the shoes when refitting the drums.
if the adjuster wheel is too free to rotate on threaded rod the adjuster tooth can just rock the wheel back and forth 1 tooth rather than adjust correctly.