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compression test = fastest way to see whats up
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Just another update regarding ticking noise on hot idle. Looks that part of exhaust valve guide in 1st cylinder is missing (wait few seconds till my mobile get sharp view) and ex valve in 3rd ctlinder is very brigt:
Maybe thats another evidence that engine was overheated and something is wrong...
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Re: Gasoline smell in oil

Now that is interesting.
The shiny 3rd valve might have been replaced recently (..maybe timing belt failure?)
A functioning exhaust valve doesn't stay that shiny.. it should look like the others.
Just a thought: could that valve have a lot of play (in the guide, thus bouncing around when seating, and the extra vibration cleaning the shaft?

Nothing really explains why that guide is missing a chunk.... i can only think of 2 possible things: casting defect, or somebody worked on the head and somehow forced a valve (still not sure it would crack the guide there).

I honestly can't remember, did you do a compression test on it?

I've got one of those USB endoscopic cameras (e-bay), it has a mirror, light and is thin enough to put inside the cylinder/exhaust ports...etc. Let me know if you'd like to have a look. might be able to see scoring on cylinder walls, and we might be able to see if any of the exhaust valves are chipped.
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Yes you are right. I think that this very high ticking is caused by valve. I didnt find on YouTube similar sound. Engine was definately running without oil (oil sludge in head, wry exhaust manifold, not original ex man gasket, missing 2 bolts on intake manifold). I'll receive manometer to check compressions (dry & wet) -> waiting for manometer delivery.
For now I have a lot of picture/video documentation to claim it to second hand company, becuase they sold this car "without any engine problem" and disguise whole ticking issue with some thick oil (or additive). I expect general engine repair by them, or some money back to make repair in another service.
Maybe we can check it together - once spark plugs are removed, we can do compression tests and also check cylinder walls and valves with your camera.
Abd maybe my fault - I didnt checked side to side movement of valves when I had ex man out :-( I suspect that clean valve on 3rd valve...as you said - maybe someone replaced it recently...or it's shiny just because of high tolerance of it's guide a d that causes that specific ticking
I'm also thinking about self-repair...if they give me some money back (head inspection costs 400 Eur in service), but I have to buy some tools (for fixing timing, new head gasket + bolts, rorque wrench, silicone for vlave cover parts, tool for compressing valve springs, and some new head parts...)
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So...I was in second hand :-) They said that it's long time to claim things like this because I had first 7 days to claim it. I said that issue was covered by thick oil and was winter, so sound wasnt there. I also lost first 2 months because I claimed there both leaking cranshaft seals (their process always takes long time because of waitng for specialist and bla bla). I gave them all documentation with pictures and descriptions. They said that they will assign it to management to decide what to do - giving some money back or choose another car with same price. I said that I increased value of this car (new timing belt, water pump, valce clearances, new sparks, new exhaust man gasket + it's sanding to flat surface and so on.. ) so in that case I expect more expensive car... I have to wait 10 - 15 days for result. They said that some parts could not be specified as "hidden issue" . I know that they are MFs...and if I want to use lawyer, I need total expertise of engine - completely take apart -> a lot of money and time. So I hope that they will give me some money back. Maybe its the best way because their mechanics are total sh*t . I dont know if it was my fault, or I had just a bad luck :-( Of course I'll never buy a car with ticking from engine block. But it was camouflaged with some thick oil or some additive :-(
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Just an update - service will give me 200 Eur back. That's enough to buy all needed tools and material for doing head rebuild by myself. For now I'll only check if ticking will get worse. If not than OK. If yes, I'll do it

Needed tools:
- new head gasket + bolts
- timing locking tools (crankshaft/camshaft)
- valve springs compression tool
- clearance gauges
- torque wrench
- little bit of silicone under valve cover gasket
- brushing paste + suction hand tool (in case if grinding of valve seats needed)
- brake cleaner fluid
- tool for honing cylinders (if needed)
- tool for measuring flat surface
- sandpapers
- torx bit for VVT variator cap

Is there anything else mandatory for head refurbishment?
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Is there anything else mandatory for head refurbishment?
Oil change after job is done.
And watching videos like that one...
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I wouldn't let these clowns be in the vicinity of my car, they apparently haven't read any manual or used eLearn. I might have told them that all the valves would be bent (Clearly an 1.4l 8V), and they also didn't use the special tool for camshaft timing correctly. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to first mount the toothed belt and perform a compression test. They could just as well have started to dismantle the cylinder head, they have probably wasted some hours at the customer's expense.
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Don't be so quick to judge and calling people clowns (because you might be a one).
I don't speak german, but, in this case, they've got a car with a problem already in it (I guess).
Because someone tried to do the timing belt job (plus crankshaft seal) improperly in the past.
Someone broke a key on the crankshaft sprocket/pulley. Skip to 8:14 (part 1)! So timing went completely off...
It was as one casting (by the way, that's improper/risky design from mechanical engineering standpoint).

Also be careful with "eLearn" (it has WRONG - or potentially dangerous to the engine - procedure, because they tell you to drop the belt as a very first step, and then crank the cam and crankshaft to fit the locking tools - so you can bend the valves during such brainless cranking).
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Yeah I saw both videos half year ago :-) I was also surprised that they only changed timing belt first....on engine with bent valves - it couldnt run ok...so why they doesnt check valves as first? But ok, I think my list of tools is complete + magnetic stick
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don't forget the "E" sockets...
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What is E- socket Bernie ? Some kind of special bits?
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Quote Originally Posted by aurick86 View Post
Now that is interesting.
The shiny 3rd valve might have been replaced recently (..maybe timing belt failure?)
A functioning exhaust valve doesn't stay that shiny.. it should look like the others.
Just a thought: could that valve have a lot of play (in the guide, thus bouncing around when seating, and the extra vibration cleaning the shaft?

Nothing really explains why that guide is missing a chunk.... i can only think of 2 possible things: casting defect, or somebody worked on the head and somehow forced a valve (still not sure it would crack the guide there).

I honestly can't remember, did you do a compression test on it?

I've got one of those USB endoscopic cameras (e-bay), it has a mirror, light and is thin enough to put inside the cylinder/exhaust ports...etc. Let me know if you'd like to have a look. might be able to see scoring on cylinder walls, and we might be able to see if any of the exhaust valves are chipped.
I'm trying to catch up with this thread, haven't been here for a while. This is the engine with the vvt cam pulley isn't it? If so then I would guess something like a broken cam belt in the past. The broken bits of guide are quite typical of damage transmitted when a valve is hit by a piston and the "new" valve in No3 seems to point in this direction too.

Having a general look round inside the cylinders with your camera might be interesting especially the top of the pistons as the valves will have left marks if it was bad enough to need a valve changed or break that guide.
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What is E- socket Bernie ? Some kind of special bits?
Sort of "female" torx, like for engine mount on the video... If you were in VW world, you'd need "3 square" male bits as-well (kind of torx but with 12 teeth)

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Aaaaa OK, now I know what you mean ;-) Thx

And just one thing - as I remember, when I bought this car, there was no ticking till I changed oil to original Selenia K. Can you please advice some concrete synthetic THICK oil which meet specification ACEA C3 which I can use as temporary test oil?
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