fiat punto grande stood for a week with flat battery .replaced battery yesterday car started first time but when I turned engine off took keys out engine still runs and revs as normal if I put in reverse with clutch in engine cuts out any clue anyone
Technical keys out engine still runs
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Petrol or diesel? Do any dash lights stay on after you've taken the keys out?
Took fuse box out yesterday And big connectors bottom of fuse box full of water .Took an hour with hair dryer dried everthing out replaced box took all relays and fuse out and cleaned stared first time all warning lights of running great thanks for all forum advice
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Good crikey-
How could the fuse box fill with water??
How could the fuse box fill with water??
Pretty common in the GP, just poor placement.
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The fusebox lid in the engine bay can be fiddly to fit correctly..
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That's bizarre; I'd always have imagined such a modern design to have eradicated any risk of such a thing..
That's bizarre; I'd always have imagined such a modern design to have eradicated any risk of such a thing..
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Nope. Modern, younger engineers/designers, are (in general) less intelligent.
Real Deal ones are now about to retire (or retired/dead already). Some knowledge will be lost.
Fancy toys (CAD, CAM, CAE, CNC, CMM, and so on) replaced logical thinking, plus there's a bigger disconnect between "hands on" practical knowledge (like from workshops) and academic theory & computer simulations.
New (whatever: car, washing machine, TV), is NOT automatically "better", because it was 3D modeled in the computer (so what?). Or it's a straight "planned obsolescence" design.
Real Deal ones are now about to retire (or retired/dead already). Some knowledge will be lost.
Fancy toys (CAD, CAM, CAE, CNC, CMM, and so on) replaced logical thinking, plus there's a bigger disconnect between "hands on" practical knowledge (like from workshops) and academic theory & computer simulations.
New (whatever: car, washing machine, TV), is NOT automatically "better", because it was 3D modeled in the computer (so what?). Or it's a straight "planned obsolescence" design.
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As an Engineer I'd have to disagree with that comment completely. This aspect is nothing to do with the engineers but more with the quality control. Not every fuse box leaks therefore the problem is with the build process not with the design of the fuse box. Remember an engineer does not build it, that's the job for a technician. An engineer is there to influence the build via technical development, they never actually build, merely prototype.
To quote Barney Stinson
Throughout my life in and around the motor industry I have been frequently disappointed at the lack of memory in the design and build of cars. Mistakes made years ago recur, and again. As if no-one keeps records of what works, and when someone new thinks of something, no-one says "been there, done that, didn't work because".
The most visible example is the rev counter counting in tens.
With a rev counter counting in tens, next to a speedo also counting in tens, and no consistency whether speedo to the left or right, new or occasional drivers sometimes confuse the two. We need to be able to read these at a glance, not have to think which is which every time. If you drive one car, you get used to it, but if hopping into several, it takes concentration. That concentration is better pointed at the road and traffic. Some cars are particularly difficult to differentiate.
So after a few years, the rev couonter goes back to single digits. Then later some designer puts it back to tens 'cuz it looks nicer'.
With a bit of thought I could probably come up with a list of such silliness, but I can't be bothered. Aren't you all pleased.
The most visible example is the rev counter counting in tens.
With a rev counter counting in tens, next to a speedo also counting in tens, and no consistency whether speedo to the left or right, new or occasional drivers sometimes confuse the two. We need to be able to read these at a glance, not have to think which is which every time. If you drive one car, you get used to it, but if hopping into several, it takes concentration. That concentration is better pointed at the road and traffic. Some cars are particularly difficult to differentiate.
So after a few years, the rev couonter goes back to single digits. Then later some designer puts it back to tens 'cuz it looks nicer'.
With a bit of thought I could probably come up with a list of such silliness, but I can't be bothered. Aren't you all pleased.
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Triggered (ego), modern era "engineer" just proved my point. Thanks "mate". 
There's a shortage of real engineers/designers. Fact (don't even try to hide it - better be quiet).
Most don't learn from old designs and mistakes (as "portland_bill" stated).
So there are "rookie" mistakes in various designs, all around the world. Many examples.
Fusebox was "built" (prototype designed, approved, and made - injection mould) by engineers, so don't point a fingers at "technicians" (that's some kind of low level pseudo-psychology trick, a "smoke screen", to blame someone else - that will backfire if you continue such "tactic"). Placement under the hood/bonnet was a bad decision too (angle, that helps to catch water) - and who did this, an Aliens?
Quality Control is mostly useless (they have no clue), they are parasites. Measuring an over or under-engineered piece of dog turd with CMM, doesn't make a product "better".
But. Let's stop this off-topic right here, OK?
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"Engineers", don't answer (don't dig yourself). There's nothing to "defend" here. Some designs are flawed - that's it.
There's a shortage of real engineers/designers. Fact (don't even try to hide it - better be quiet).
Most don't learn from old designs and mistakes (as "portland_bill" stated).
So there are "rookie" mistakes in various designs, all around the world. Many examples.
Fusebox was "built" (prototype designed, approved, and made - injection mould) by engineers, so don't point a fingers at "technicians" (that's some kind of low level pseudo-psychology trick, a "smoke screen", to blame someone else - that will backfire if you continue such "tactic"). Placement under the hood/bonnet was a bad decision too (angle, that helps to catch water) - and who did this, an Aliens?
Quality Control is mostly useless (they have no clue), they are parasites. Measuring an over or under-engineered piece of dog turd with CMM, doesn't make a product "better".
But. Let's stop this off-topic right here, OK?
eace: "Engineers", don't answer (don't dig yourself). There's nothing to "defend" here. Some designs are flawed - that's it.
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People saying wrong placement, bad design etc: can be right but I see it from another angle not water getting in,, water not getting out. even condensation can build up in some places it is not wanted so a small drain hole maybe with a rubber flapper valve would be the ideal. on several occasions I had put a 2mm drill hole in the bottom of some enclosure or another to cure similar problems
I totally agree with you guys, some aspects of modern car design are just crazy, in some respects we really are going backwards I feel. The rev counter and speedo markings I hate too.
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