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Liam1804

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Hi all,

Only had my Grande Punto about 2 weeks (1.2 8v) but I’ve noticed the heaters don’t get hot, there only warm, I’ve noticed when I drive the car without the heaters on the temp gauge will be in the middle, soon as I put the heaters on the gauge drops slightly,

The 2 heater matrix pipes are hot and the top rad hose going to the thermostat is also hot but the lower pipe is cold,

I’m I correct to say the top rad hose isn’t suppose to be hot until the thermostat opens? Does this sound like the thermostat is slightly stuck open?
 
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On my old 1.4 8V I had a problem when I bought it with an airlock in the heater pipes, the water was flowing fine around the engine but not going into the heater.

I had to take off the heater pipes and flush them through with a garden hose twice to push the water into the pipes and push out the air.
 
I brought a new thermostat today, it’s a Vernet branded one from euro car parts,

How do you remove the heater matrix’s pipes? Is there a certain way to remove the clamps?

I don’t want to damage anything, Im replacing the clamps with spring clamps instead,

I’ve also brought some gasket seal, is it necessary to use it when doing the thermostat, it’s already got a rubber gasket with the kit, just wondered if other owners used gasket seal just as extra measures
 
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As soon as the flanges surfaces are clean and there are no previous seal debris, the rubber gasket should be enough, no need of any extra 'compound' !
But it's still recommended to check for leaks just after the job's done (engine at working temp), and check the coolant level for the next couple of weeks ...

BRs, Bernie
 
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Thanks for the update Liam, as Charlie said: job well done !

BRs, Bernie
 
Is this normal? When the vehicles up to normal temp and I just let the car idle with the heaters on 2 the temp gauge drops to the next marker, not the big the small marker, first time owning a petrol,
 
Is this normal? When the vehicles up to normal temp and I just let the car idle with the heaters on 2 the temp gauge drops to the next marker, not the big the small marker, first time owning a petrol,
As you've successfully changed your thermostat you obviously know what you're doing. But, for the edification of others lets think about how this works. The heater system allows coolant to circulate all the time which is what happens from the moment you start the engine. On the back end of the cylinder head is the thermostat (as you know) which will be closed when the engine is cold. When the engine heats the water circulating in the heater system to "working temperature" (that is the temperature the manufacturer wants the engine to run at) the thermostat will open and hot water will flow out to the radiator header tank, letting cool water flow from the bottom of the radiator into the engine. The engine coolant temperature will then drop so the thermostat will close and so the whole cycle goes on (in practice the thermostat spends it's life "floating" - more or less open depending on heat generated by the engine so that a more or less constant temperature is maintained - commonly around 90 degrees centigrade.) So if your thermostat is defective often it stays open too long and lets water circulate through the radiator too soon so the whole system runs cool.

For this to work properly the radiator has to be able to, under all operating circumstances, shed more heat than the engine can ever generate. It has to be realized that coolant circulates all the time through the heater matrix so it's cooling the engine too, but how much heat it can shed (in heating you inside the car) depends on how "hot" you set the heater control. So on a really cold day, when idling for lengthy periods with the heater fan on and your temperature control set to full hot it's quite conceivable that there might be sufficient cooling capacity in the heater matrix to satisfy the cooling needs of the engine on it's own. I've never owned a car where the heater matrix on it's own could actually exceed the cooling (at idle) requirements of the engine until now! Our Ibiza 1.0 3 cylinder TSI seems to be able to achieve this "trick". On very cold days when idling for prolonged periods (there's one particular set of traffic lights which invariably take about 3 or 4 "goes" to get through) If we have the heater on full hot with the fan on the temp gauge falls to about 85 degrees - from it's normal 90 - It never does it when driving or for short halts and she comes up to temp quickly from cold with the top hose staying cold until full heat is reached. Maybe yours is doing something similar?
 
As you've successfully changed your thermostat you obviously know what you're doing. But, for the edification of others lets think about how this works. The heater system allows coolant to circulate all the time which is what happens from the moment you start the engine. On the back end of the cylinder head is the thermostat (as you know) which will be closed when the engine is cold. When the engine heats the water circulating in the heater system to "working temperature" (that is the temperature the manufacturer wants the engine to run at) the thermostat will open and hot water will flow out to the radiator header tank, letting cool water flow from the bottom of the radiator into the engine. The engine coolant temperature will then drop so the thermostat will close and so the whole cycle goes on (in practice the thermostat spends it's life "floating" - more or less open depending on heat generated by the engine so that a more or less constant temperature is maintained - commonly around 90 degrees centigrade.) So if your thermostat is defective often it stays open too long and lets water circulate through the radiator too soon so the whole system runs cool.

For this to work properly the radiator has to be able to, under all operating circumstances, shed more heat than the engine can ever generate. It has to be realized that coolant circulates all the time through the heater matrix so it's cooling the engine too, but how much heat it can shed (in heating you inside the car) depends on how "hot" you set the heater control. So on a really cold day, when idling for lengthy periods with the heater fan on and your temperature control set to full hot it's quite conceivable that there might be sufficient cooling capacity in the heater matrix to satisfy the cooling needs of the engine on it's own. I've never owned a car where the heater matrix on it's own could actually exceed the cooling (at idle) requirements of the engine until now! Our Ibiza 1.0 3 cylinder TSI seems to be able to achieve this "trick". On very cold days when idling for prolonged periods (there's one particular set of traffic lights which invariably take about 3 or 4 "goes" to get through) If we have the heater on full hot with the fan on the temp gauge falls to about 85 degrees - from it's normal 90 - It never does it when driving or for short halts and she comes up to temp quickly from cold with the top hose staying cold until full heat is reached. Maybe yours is doing something similar?


Top man, explained very well,

I noticed the top part of the radiator wasn’t getting as hot as the lower part, so I decided to try and bleed the system again, I can’t remove the bleed screw on the radiator because it isn’t the same as in the guilde section, mine wasn’t a spanner type. It’s a Philips screwdriver type one, but because of the location there’s no way to get a screwdriver in there,

What I did was hold the revs at 4K, I noticed the coolant rising and was almost over flowing then I saw a couple of airlocks come out and the level dropped, Now the top part of the radiator gets as hot as the lower part, There must of been trapped air still in the system, but it seems to be all good now ?
 
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Is it normal for the coolant hoses to become hard when the engine is at normal temp? This is with the expansion tank cap on,
 
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