General Punto grande 08 1.4 8V spare wheel

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So in my fiat punto grande 1.4 8V I have a puncture repair kit in my boot instead of a spare wheel. Does anyone know where I can get a full boot insert replacement with the correct shape for a spare wheel and a jack? My current setup is in the picture below, I think a spare wheel would be better than this
 

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I see thank you for the reply will try taking the whole plastic insert out and buy a new spare tyre ??
 
Get a full size steel wheel,as you can leave it on.If you get a space saver,you have to driver slower and have to get your tyre repaired or replaced,and swap straight back on to the car.
 
Ok, so here's a generic tyre/wheel question but it seems to, kind of, fit in with the questions being asked here. My car comes with the most basic alloy wheel fitment but no spare. (Bottle of gunge and electric pump instead). The tyre fitment is 185/60 - 15. I could have specified a spacesaver, at considerable extra cost but declined because I really don't like spacesavers and was going to buy a full size spare anyway. Being a new car there were no used alloys turning up anywhere. A new, dealer supplied alloy, was surprisingly expensive so I didn't go for it. I discovered that the "cheap" no frills version of the car comes on steel rims with the same size 185/60 - 15 tyres so I took myself down to the main agent to see if I could try one of these steels against my alloys! Not surprisingly the answer was no, but their store man overheard the conversation and said he just happened to have a bare steel rim in stock which I could use to compare if I wanted. - I wanted! We took the car round to the store door where I jacked it up and removed one of the alloys. I then took measurements of offset etc and tried it on the hub for caliper clearance etc. It turned out to be identical to the alloy. The friendly store man had been hanging around while I did this (probably to make sure I wasn't going to make a quick getaway with his wheel) and he told me the wheel had been ordered by a customer who then hadn't collected it. He also told me that for my car I could order either a space saver or a full size steel as a spare. The spacesaver always comes with a speed restricting yellow sticker but the full size, if ordered as a spare with tyre fitted and boot insert kit with jack, wheel brace etc (and it is this size wheel with the 185 section tyre) comes with the sticker but if ordered separately, as wheel and tyre unfitted, has no sticker! Oh, and by the way, as it's now sitting taking up room in his store I can have it at cost plus. I nearly bit his hand off.

So, this is a separate, same size as my alloys only in steel, with a correct size tyre then fitted and no speed sticker. Of course when you put it on the car it's black and the alloys are silver so it's very noticeable. The space it occupies under the wing is identical to the alloy. Not surprisingly, the car feels absolutely normal with it fitted, even zooming round country roads, and it has not upset the tyre pressure monitor or anything. I'm very pleased with it as I've made a very considerable saving - got a jack etc from a scrap different model but same manufacturer car for peanuts which works fine.

Anyone who has read some of my other posts will know we travel the leangth of the country 2,3 sometimes 4 times a year visiting close relatives. So I got the full size spare so that if we get a flat on one of these marathons I can just swop it out and carry on. But, it just occurred to me, because it's not actually identical (although all important dimensions are the same) to the alloy and, in particular, the fact that if I had ordered this as a full size spare kit it would have come with the sticker on it, are the Boys in Blue going to pull me over on the M6 doing 70mph on it? Opinions anyone?
 
There are plastic rim covers for GPs that are almost identical to the alloy on "cheap" wheels version, I think only for one specific alloy but Worth a request @ your nice store man. Using one of these on your spare Wheel, no one would even notice you had swaped it, unless having a really close look …
BRs, Bernie

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There are plastic rim covers for GPs that are almost identical to the alloy on "cheap" wheels version, I think only for one specific alloy but Worth a request @ your nice store man. Using one of these on your spare Wheel, no one would even notice you had swaped it, unless having a really close look …
BRs, Bernie

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Great idea BernieV! In fact the car is not one of the family Fiat's but my '16 plate Ibiza estate. (Hence the use of "generic"). So there we go, I feel a bit of googling coming on which will keep me busy whilst Mrs J is watching people making cakes or something on the TV.

Thanks again for the idea
J.
 
As long as the tyre sizes are the same on the same axle,you can have steel rims or alloy wheels on the car in any combination 1/2/3 steel/alloys on the car,as long as it's not a silly space saver,and the police can't do any thing,it will even pass an MOT. Smart cars have smaller tyre sizes on the front than the back,and that's from new!
 
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F1s as well ;-)
I couldn't really think of a good technical reason why this should be a problem. Tyre size, speed and load rating all the same. Wheel dimensions the same. Even weight similar (in fact factory fit alloys often have almost no weight advantage over steelies, don't they?) I suppose the only stumbling block might be if the chap who stopped me was out to make a point? - but then I'm good at grovelling.

You're quite right, of course, Smart Cars and a number of others, mostly performance orientated models, have larger wheels and tyres on the one end (always rear and rear wheel drive as far as I can see). But, always the same size tyre and wheel on an axle. Helped a friend build a one off "special" which used a mid mounted Alfa Sud engine. It had larger rears and I know it was legal, but again, not an alloy on one side and a steel on the other! Haven't seen an MOT'd road legal F1 on the M6 recently Bernie? I'd love to see the pursuit car that could catch it though!

Anyway, don't think I'm going to waste any time worrying about my spare and I'll be jolly glad for it if I ever need it. I would really like to have an alloy though because then I could rotate it with the others so that the spare doesn't expire, unworn, due to age!
 
I would really like to have an alloy though because then I could rotate it with the others so that the spare doesn't expire, unworn, due to age!

Be aware that some tyres are one direction only so you can't swap the wheels sideways …
Regarding the wear balancing, I'd recommend to replace one axle at a time: most of cars, and certainly the GPs', will have their front tyres worn first, when it's time replace the tyres and swap them with back ones: even on front wheel drive cars it is always better to have the better tyres at the back !!

BRs, Bernie

If someone here helped You fix -or better, understand- your issue, hit the thanks icon @ bottom right corner, it's free and makes us feel helpy ;-)
 
Be aware that some tyres are one direction only so you can't swap the wheels sideways …
Regarding the wear balancing, I'd recommend to replace one axle at a time: most of cars, and certainly the GPs', will have their front tyres worn first, when it's time replace the tyres and swap them with back ones: even on front wheel drive cars it is always better to have the better tyres at the back !!

BRs, Bernie

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Hmm, directional tyres? I think they have their place and that's for specialist applications like high performance vehicles. I don't like the restrictions they impose re positioning for use on everyday runaround vehicles and wouldn't buy one myself. The Fabia (elder boy's wife's car) needed tyres last week - it's a diesel and tends to knock it's front tyres out - so I told her to specifically decline directional offerings. She told me the fitter seemed impressed with her knowledge and agreed her choice. My perception is that quite a few of the cheaper budget tyres are directional. Could this be because they look "cool" and so look appealing to the impecunious "boy racer? On the other hand I quite like asymmetric tread patterns which, I think, can offer cornering advantages, especially in the wet, without the restrictions of a directional design.

You seem very knowledgeable about tyres BernieV and I completely agree with your point about fitment. It's best if you can replace tyres in pairs and always put the new tyres on the rear. I think this advice started when Cross Ply tyres were still the norm and Radials were just starting to be popular. If you compare a similar sized radial and cross ply the radial will "hang on" for considerably longer than the cross ply when pushed to the limit. So it became a legal requirement that radials and cross plys were not mixed on the same axle and then, although it was recommended not to mix them at all, if you had to then the radials be fitted to the rear axle. (We were taught the saying "Radials on the Rear") The thinking behind this is that with the better gripping tyres on the rear, if you enter a corner a bit too fast then, if your rear tyres grip better than the front your car will understeer as the front tyres loose grip and the car will start to run wide, out towards the kerb. Your instinctive reaction will be to come off the throttle and turn the steering wheel further into the corner. The engine is now slowing the car and the front tyres are scrubbing off speed so, unless you entered the corner at something approaching Warp Speed, the car will slow, the tyres will reengage with the road surface and all you need to do is wind off a bit of steering angle to regain full control. If you have the better gripping tyres on the front then the rear will let go first and you will have to apply a large steering movement, very quickly, in the opposite direction to try to stop the rear end stepping out and causing a spin. That bit isn't too difficult. The problem comes when (if you're lucky) the rear tyres start to grip the road again. You now need to apply a large steering movement, back through the straight ahead position, to the direction you were originally turning. The first time this happens to you I can virtually guarantee you will spin the car. The only way to learn this car control is to practice - and you can, there are skid pan courses all over the country who will teach you. (and believe me it's enormous fun to learn this life saving skill). I learned, in my Dad's fields, in an old 1935 Morris 8 back in the '50's. When it was wet I could do the best part of 3 complete 360's! and go round the whole field, when it was wet and slippery, with the tail hanging out at 45 degrees! (They call it "drifting" these days). Today we only have radials, which is probably a good thing, but the same rules of physics apply, namely understeer is MUCH, MUCH easier to control than oversteer! So, although I don't think it's a legal requirement because all commonly available tyres nowadays are radials, always put new tyres on the rear axle. (even if some well meaning laddie tells you to put them on the front so your steering and brakes work "better") Anyway, even though you are putting the more worn tyres on the front these tyres should still be legal and roadworthy and thus have good grip in their own right.

Whilst we're thinking about grip and how tyres behave. I like to always run the same tyres all round. If, for any reason, - sometimes a tyre will stop being available - I can't manage that I always try to run identical (Make, Version, Tread depth, etc) tyres on the same axle. My thinking here is that it minimises spyder gear wear in the diff if both wheels are doing the same rpm. It reduces the possibility of erroneous pressure monitoring DTC's being thrown. But most important it means that both tyres grip the road the same (given a good road surface) If you have different manufacturers products on the same axle you will have different tread patterns and differences in rubber compound which, particularly in the wet, will give the tyres different performance characteristics. These could become extreme when approaching the limit of adhesion. In simple terms one wheel might lock up and loose adhesion whilst the other one is still happily engaged with the road surface. Result? You could find yourself in a spin at just the moment when car control is critical to avoid a collision. ABS does go some way to mitigate this but overall performance will be compromised.

I could go on (worked with race tyres early on in my working life) but better stop. Need a cupa anyway and the V8 supercars are on Free sports!
All the best
Jock
 
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So in my fiat punto grande 1.4 8V I have a puncture repair kit in my boot instead of a spare wheel. Does anyone know where I can get a full boot insert replacement with the correct shape for a spare wheel and a jack? My current setup is in the picture below, I think a spare wheel would be better than this

All you need to do is take out the compressor and there is a screw underneath.

You will also need to remove the plastic trim around the back of the boot area and lock.

Once you've done that you can take out the plastic tray that holds the compressor and that space is where a spare wheel sits without the need for any other plastic bits or bobs.

get a spare on ebay or similar with the tool kit and jack in its only inset that fits inside the spare wheel. This is all then bolted down in the boot with a hand tightened screw that goes in the same bolt hole that the current plastic try is held down with.
 
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