Technical Handbrakes in Drum Brakes

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Technical Handbrakes in Drum Brakes

Philip G

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Good day,

Just asking a question about how handbrakes work in drum brakes because my knowledge is very limited.

From what I know (or guessing), a handbrake in drums work as such: you pull the handbrake lever and the shoes press against the drum, a bit like having your foot on the brake pedal.

Is this correct?

I ask this because I tried to apply the handbrake on a steep slope today, but the car continued to roll back and when I got my car serviced a few weeks ago there was an advisory about my brake shoes wearing low.

Thanks
 
Well as the shoes wear away your brake cable needs to be adjusted to to take up the slack.And so over time when pulling hand brake on it doesn't bite as much as it used to as there is less cable to pull with and less brake shoe to press against the drums.
So new brake shoes will probably sort it.
 
Not having a pop at anyone, but of late there seems to be a few who are not all that in tune with their brakes. A haynes manual is a good starting point, it will not make you into a mechanic over night, but it's worth purchasing.

The only real way to stay on top of the braking system is to at least yearly, whip off the wheels & drums & see what's what. At the very least give everything a clean & see that everything is functioning as it should.

I've always liked doing my own brakes. Set aside on a nice day a morning or afternoon & take my time. you don't need expensive tools either. I find it very satisfying, even therapeutic... :)
 
You should NOT have to adjust the cable! as the shoes wear, they should automatically adjust. Unfortunately, on most GPs (and indeed, many cars with this design of drum brakes) the automatic adjusters tend to seize up before the car is more than a few years old. When that happens, you need to manually adjust them. The automatic adjusters are the mechanism just under the slave cylinder (which is the hydraulic bit that pushes the shoes into contact with the inside of the drum when you press the brake pedal). It's hard to describe without photos but there's a tiny knurled wheel. You need to rotate it round carefully (they only got one way) to "jack" the shoes further apart. Getting the brake drums on and off after doing it can be tricky though.

If you adjust the cable, they won't work as efficiently.
 
You should NOT have to adjust the cable! as the shoes wear, they should automatically adjust. Unfortunately, on most GPs (and indeed, many cars with this design of drum brakes) the automatic adjusters tend to seize up before the car is more than a few years old. When that happens, you need to manually adjust them. The automatic adjusters are the mechanism just under the slave cylinder (which is the hydraulic bit that pushes the shoes into contact with the inside of the drum when you press the brake pedal). It's hard to describe without photos but there's a tiny knurled wheel. You need to rotate it round carefully (they only got one way) to "jack" the shoes further apart. Getting the brake drums on and off after doing it can be tricky though.

If you adjust the cable, they won't work as efficiently.

But will getting new shoes just 'reset' the cable so it would go back to how it was working before the shoes were worn
 
I'd be surprised, to be honest. The adjustment on the cable is there for initial setup, plus to accommodate any stretch in the cable or "snugging-in" of the cable abutments at each end, during the car's life. Effectively, the handbrake lever itself is an L-shaped bracket, with a pivot at the "crook" of the "L" You pull on the long leg, and the cable is attached to the short leg. At the drum end, the outer part of the handbrake cable (like a bike brake cable but bigger!) abuts against a socket in the backplate of the brake drum and the inner cable goes through the backplate and on to a lever hanging down from the rearmost brake shoe.

That lever is also shaped like a letter "L". This time, to give you the leverage, the cable pulls on the LONG leg of the "L" and the short leg (and it really IS short!) is what "levers" the brake shoe hard against the inside of the drum. If you've ever used the "L"-shaped end of a "wrecking bar" (sometimes called a "Jemmy" or a "pry bar") to lever something, you might have noticed how much more effective it is when the force you're applying to the end is at 90 degrees to the weight of what you're trying to shift? It's the same with the handbrake. Because the long leg of the "L" is SO much longer than the short one (especially at the brake shoe end) you get terrific force on the short leg, but only a tiny amount of movement. For this reason, it's important to ensure that as much free movement as posisble is taken up by the brake adjusters BEFORE taking any slack out of the cable. This allows the actuating arm on the brake shoe to get the best possible leverage against the shoe. Adjusting the cable first, pulls that arm away from its rest position (where it has the greatest mechanical advantage) before the friction material touches the brake drum. It'll "work" - if you're lucky, perhaps well enough to pass an MOT, but it won't work anything like as well as it could have done.

If you just fit a new pair of shoes, the most likely outcome is that they will be too far out to get the drum back on because the auto adjusters will probably have worked to SOME extent during the car's life, so the new shoes will sit too far out (even before you connect the cable up). Usually, the biggest problem is getting the drum on and getting the shoes adjusted correctly, because as the drums wear, you get a "lip" forming on the inside edge, (where the shoe doesn't rub) so if the shoes are adjusted far enough out to be working correctly, the drum won't fit back on to them! Really, you need to put the drums in a lathe and cut the lip off. If it's not bad, you can usually get away with filing the worst of the rust on the lip off and then using a bit of brute force to push the brake drum over the shoes, but it is a bit messy!
 
I'd be surprised, to be honest. The adjustment on the cable is there for initial setup, plus to accommodate any stretch in the cable or "snugging-in" of the cable abutments at each end, during the car's life. Effectively, the handbrake lever itself is an L-shaped bracket, with a pivot at the "crook" of the "L" You pull on the long leg, and the cable is attached to the short leg. At the drum end, the outer part of the handbrake cable (like a bike brake cable but bigger!) abuts against a socket in the backplate of the brake drum and the inner cable goes through the backplate and on to a lever hanging down from the rearmost brake shoe.

That lever is also shaped like a letter "L". This time, to give you the leverage, the cable pulls on the LONG leg of the "L" and the short leg (and it really IS short!) is what "levers" the brake shoe hard against the inside of the drum. If you've ever used the "L"-shaped end of a "wrecking bar" (sometimes called a "Jemmy" or a "pry bar") to lever something, you might have noticed how much more effective it is when the force you're applying to the end is at 90 degrees to the weight of what you're trying to shift? It's the same with the handbrake. Because the long leg of the "L" is SO much longer than the short one (especially at the brake shoe end) you get terrific force on the short leg, but only a tiny amount of movement. For this reason, it's important to ensure that as much free movement as posisble is taken up by the brake adjusters BEFORE taking any slack out of the cable. This allows the actuating arm on the brake shoe to get the best possible leverage against the shoe. Adjusting the cable first, pulls that arm away from its rest position (where it has the greatest mechanical advantage) before the friction material touches the brake drum. It'll "work" - if you're lucky, perhaps well enough to pass an MOT, but it won't work anything like as well as it could have done.

If you just fit a new pair of shoes, the most likely outcome is that they will be too far out to get the drum back on because the auto adjusters will probably have worked to SOME extent during the car's life, so the new shoes will sit too far out (even before you connect the cable up). Usually, the biggest problem is getting the drum on and getting the shoes adjusted correctly, because as the drums wear, you get a "lip" forming on the inside edge, (where the shoe doesn't rub) so if the shoes are adjusted far enough out to be working correctly, the drum won't fit back on to them! Really, you need to put the drums in a lathe and cut the lip off. If it's not bad, you can usually get away with filing the worst of the rust on the lip off and then using a bit of brute force to push the brake drum over the shoes, but it is a bit messy!

So when I get new shoes fitted, I'm going to have to adjust the cable anyways.
 
You shouldn't need to. You should have to wind the auto adjusters back though. If you're not changing the handbrake cable there's no particular reason why it should need adjusting UNLESS someone has tried to adjust up the brakes by adjusting the cable in the past!
 
OK, thanks for all the help. New shoes are on the way. Also treating the car to some new pads, a new cambelt, water pump and aux belt
 
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