I have finalized to utilize Pro 10 Oil Booster and Abro Premium Oil Treatment along with Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 or Mobil 1 Delvac Full Synth for my MJD engine that has run 36.5k on odometer.

This combination has worked well in CRDI engines like mHAWK CRDe and Hyundai's diesel rocket the 1.6 CRDi.

One query i am unable to get clarified is whether, Will the oil treatment additive have any ill effects in the oil cooler and oil evaporator condenser which the 1.3 JTD is equipped with ?

As we are aware this is debate that varies from case to case and my decision to opt for this is by people who have experienced these products in their rides and drives and are seeing results.

Results to the extent of better drive ability, smoother top end revs, quieter cold starts, and less carbon soot in oil.

Super bikes such as R6 and R1 have seen results on these, when a super bike that is technically so complex and that has highest rpm and power generating platform is still not showing any negative symptom, a engine like mjd is very much a ideal candidate to accept an additive of above order is my analysis.

Please provide your expert views.

Snakeoil

Why Snake oil, There are some results seen esp for new gen engines ?

Abro, Cyclo or STP all help, even better Liqui Moli Tappet additive for mjds or most modern diesels for that matter. All high compression ratio engines can use help by improving shear factor.

A quick search on Boron nitride yielded in this result —
A 14.4% improvement in the friction coefficient and a 65% decrease in the wear rate were achieved through the use of the nano hBN as an oil additive.

Ach, anybody can come up with so called data & spiel about these additives. A decent oil already has things added to the correct spec & regular changes are far more beneficial to an engine. Most, if not all car manufacturers will not endorse any oil additives. In fact there have been court cases in America regarding additives claiming magical effects & millions of dollars paid out.

I can't do links(old git) There is a plethora of information out there regarding these liquids & has been going on for years. I could blether on & on, but there are far more qualified people than I who have debunked such additives, bottom line PROFIT/MONEY, pure & simple. Things may have moved on a bit, but there was a time when basicly you had a wee tin of paraffin was passed off as an additive(fancy advertising) costing far,far more than if you went down to your local depot & purchased a gallon for your heater..

As I've said things have moved on, but snake oil non the less.

I use a petrol addative in every tankfull as modern fuel with ethonol will cause a lot of problems but i would not bother with oil addatives as regular oil and filter changes are far better for your engine

Agreed,
the quality of local fuel can vary HUGELY,
we are lucky in the UK,
but most countries have certain conditions with their fuel that need consideration in certain vehicles.

Charlie

You are using good brand oils, and they will have all the necessary additives in them already. The data produced by the manufacturers will always favour their product, and reports from users are always subjective, as no-one wants to admit it was a waste of money. Oil manufacturers will always advise against adding stuff to their oil, and as said above, car manufacturers will advise against as well. The oil does a complex job, lubricating is only one part of it. Making it more slippery may well reduce its effectiveness in other areas, like cooling, or absorption of acids and debris.

Overall, it is always difficult to measure the benefits if any. I'd not spend on these at all.

However, a good injector cleaner twice a year could be beneficial. It certainly made a difference to the Panda soon after I got it. Injector cleaner is useful in a diesel to prolong their life and reduce poor fuelling.

sriramr9 said:

A quick search on Boron nitride yielded in this result —
A 14.4% improvement in the friction coefficient and a 65% decrease in the wear rate were achieved through the use of the nano hBN as an oil additive.

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These tests performed on what?:roll eyes:

Cars with much higher engine power don't need any additives and they use the same oil type you run with :idea:

Such tests are often carried out in laboratory conditions, testing purely lubrication qualities. The conditions inside an engine are harsh and the oil has to do more than just lubricate. The oil you are mixing this with has not been tested with this additive, and other properties may be degraded.

Thanks for insights. I agree that though this trio oil additive combination has not been tested in the Laboratory and it does not carry a certificate of clearance to use in motor cars both gas and diesel.

But I can to a decent measure of certainty confirm that people whom i know personally and who are in the aviation maintenance industry and are race biking enthusiasts have had first hand working experience on the above combination and have reaped positive benefits in terms of longevity, smoothness and stress free cold starts.

Upon closer inspection to the internals such as valve trains and other ancillaries of engines, which were run on the above combination, there was a 5 micron coating of ABRO that had cooled and deposited, upon scrapping, it revealed a near brand new valve underneath, giving us an impression of zero wear meaning, there was minimal abrasion as the additive was protecting always.

The theory to substantiate this is, during a cold start for example when the valve train/tappets/lifters are still dry, upon cranking, the oil from crankcase may take 2 seconds to reach the head, and the metal to metal rubbing that can occur in that instant can be avoided as the ABRO is already coated and there by two metal coated surfaces are going to rub in stead of the metal itself.

If this theory holds good then i think the above combination should not go bad for an engine.

Waiting for experts views on this.

You sound like a salesman........Snake oil all the way.

Just as I thought, head office in India. To be honest this should not be aloud on forums like this. Snake oil that's been debunked by those that know. Don't waste your money on this stuff people.

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... have had first hand working experience on the above combination and have reaped positive benefits in terms of longevity, smoothness and stress free cold starts.

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Have they run a similar engine in similar circumstances without the additives to make a comparison?

It is unlikely that anyone would spend money on such products and then openly admit they'd wasted their money, basic human nature.

jimboy said:

You sound like a salesman........Snake oil all the way.

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I am not a salesman and if i were one i will not be here to sell my products, there are umpteen other channels available, appreciate your time.

jimboy said:

Just as I thought, head office in India. To be honest this should not be aloud on forums like this. Snake oil that's been debunked by those that know. Don't waste your money on this stuff people.

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Could you confirm which product had it's head office in India. Could you share me the link? Here is the web link of the product i am talking about.

http://www.abro.com/ot-511.html

Here in India, commercial operators who operate the Volvo 7400 A/c Buses are the biggest customers of Abro Additives which is currently being utilized for their fleet with some success in terms of drive ability, smoothness and mileage.

portland_bill said:

Have they run a similar engine in similar circumstances without the additives to make a comparison?

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Yes on a Toyota 2.5 Diesel which was the first CRDI engine released in 2005 is popular in India, without using the additives the engine felt rough and gruff after doing high kms in the odo (We use Kilometers and not Miles). When used Abro along with Shell Helix with oil booster the fleet drivers felt the newness in the engine sustained despite harsh and non stop usage which is quite common in commercial vehicle's segment.

Trials were done on mHawk 2.2 CRDI, Toyota 2.5 D4D and Hyundai's 1.6 CRDI.

portland_bill said:

It is unlikely that anyone would spend money on such products and then openly admit they'd wasted their money, basic human nature.

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The person who is advising me for this combination is a working professional and has no motive to push the product on me and has been utilizing the products since a decade now. The sales guys for these products have regular orders and not behind petty customers looking for one time usage or for personal use.

Thanks for every one s time here. I am not trying to sell the oil or additive here, just a healthy discussion, ready to take every bashing with optimism. Keep replying.

Really....

Still snake oil. In over 40 odd years in & out of the motor trade I've never come across garages or the like to stock/use such magical liquids. Even allowing for the fact I'm an old cynic, you still read like a robotic advertisement.

I think it's worth stepping back and looking at the "bigger picture" though. How long is your engine likely to last, if serviced using a good quality oil at the manufacturer's specified intervals? The second question is "How long is the rest of the car likely to last"? I scrapped my last car at 248,000 miles and 20 years old. It wasn't a Punto, but it was Italian. The bottom had rotted out of it. Why would I want the engine to last any longer than the rest of the car?!

I have no experience of these new "potions", but back in the days when I used to be curious about such things, products like "Slick 50" were all the rage. Very similar claims were being made, including one spectacular demonstration of a car being treated with this stuff and then having its oil drained and being driven 20 miles without seizing. Well, guess what? We had an Austin 1100 that was about to be scrapped, so we took the oil out of it and drove it for 20 miles before it seized too. (And it HADN'T been treated with Slick 50)!

Later on, manufacturers started looking more closely and other stories emerged, like oil filters getting clogged with the microscopic Teflon particles in it. Now, I'm just as sceptical about either claim, but the important thing is to step back and see what it is you're trying to achieve. It may, in the long run, be pointless.

Fuel additives, on the other hand, are potentially more useful. We now have up to 5% bioethanol in our petrol and by 2020, it is likely to be 10%. The downsides of using it are well-documented - especially in older vehicles with steel components in their fuel systems. it attracts water (especially in cars that do low mileages and sit with the same fuel in their tanks for long periods). It can certainly cause damage to fuel systems and there are plenty of water absorbing chemicals on the market that you can add to your fuel to stabilise it. I think they're probably far more worthwhile.

Avocet, Your post is an eye opener. I agree with you. Quality of Fuel and timely oil changes are the key.

Investing in costlier oils are worth for the extended mileage and superior protection they promise.

The way in which i looked at the mixing up of the so called potions are for the below intentions in mind.

a. Smoother drive, Easier top end revs, lesser clatter.
b. Engine coating by the additive which will form a layer on the mechanical's when cooled down.
c. Extended idle protection.
d. 1 Lac km engine life or more.

Driving conditions in India.
1. Congested vehicles.
2. Extended idling in traffic stops (10 mins/ signal) - 40 min of average idling with air con on in Bumper to Bumper traffic. during day time.
3. Higher average ambient temperature (~30 degrees average), summers are brutal.
4. Low average speed in city limits.

To mitigate all the issues in hand 1 to 4, and still achieve a to d i feel these will be enablers.

I have been using this combination of Shell Helix and ABRO Oil Treatment
OT-511 & find the engine running tad smoother, free revving (Synth Oil of-course), cold start has a muted thrum compared to the pretty audible clatter.

Observations in this oil + additive combination:
1. Oil pressure light goes off earlier than when using Selenia 5W40 Semisynth engine oil.
2. Engine is free revving
3. Additive and oil have mixed now thoroughly.
4. Lesser clatter during cold starts.
5. Gearshifts in higher RPM have become a breeze. 3K rpm is the norm now.
6. At 1500 RPM cruising in 60KPH, the engine is silent.

Recommend people to try this combination.