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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

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If it's a Grande Punto, then it would be a 65 bhp 1.2, not the 60 bhp as used in the mk2 or the 69 bhp as used in the 500. Visually, the 1.2 Grande Punto engine, as installed, looks identical to the 1.4 8v engine.
cheers, - I did think they were "different" = so interference as well..??
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

Apologies it is the 48kw engine which I think equates to 65bhp or there abouts.

Engine no is 4284777 if that helps?
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

engine code 199A4000 (1.2 48kw 65cv)
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

Try a local scrap yard for new engine. Will get a warranty more than likely. Also don't forget let the dvla know new engine number and insurance as they will be registered to the car come off
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

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cheers, - I did think they were "different" = so interference as well..??
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I don't know that much, lol! All I know is that different ages of Punto used different versions of the 1.2 8v, and that going by my Grande Punto manual, the 1.2 8v and 1.4 8v both look identical, lol!
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

I did think ALL Grandes are interference engines..,
but am happy to be told different.., ;-)
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

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I did think ALL Grandes are interference engines..,
but am happy to be told different.., ;-)
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I have no idea what that even means, lol!
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

The 1.2 is 65bhp in the grande and is a fire l4 engine (usually non interference be a fire engine type). I got told the easiest way finding out if interference is by the oil cap. A screw cap is interference engine and the push rubber cap (like mk2 punto) is non interference

Puntofan1: by interference he means that if the cam belt snaps it will take out the valves an pistons on the engine (rebuild) and non interference is when the belt snaps but no damage is done to the engine just need new belt unusually an all is good.
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

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The 1.2 is 65bhp in the grande and is a fire l4 engine (usually non interference). I got told the easiest way finding out if interference is by the oil cap. A screw cap is interference engine and the push rubber cap (like mk2 punto) is non interference
thanks - fairly common question in panda section too,

not a really clear cut thing

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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

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The 1.2 is 65bhp in the grande and is a fire l4 engine (usually non interference be a fire engine type). I got told the easiest way finding out if interference is by the oil cap. A screw cap is interference engine and the push rubber cap (like mk2 punto) is non interference

Puntofan1: by interference he means that if the cam belt snaps it will take out the valves an pistons on the engine (rebuild) and non interference is when the belt snaps but no damage is done to the engine just need new belt unusually an all is good.
I see! I'd best just hope the cambelt never snaps on my 1.4 8v!
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

"No the evo engine not the eco punto (evo fire engine has screw oil cap older safe fire engines were rubber bung)"

This was taken from https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto/358596-2006-punto-1-4-8-valve.html and Andy Monty was person who said it (knows what he is talking about).

So maybe all gp's are interference (look at oil cap) but I got my belt done when got car with water pump (1.4 8v 2009)

Puntofan01: not sure if you are aware but fiat updated their interval for the cam belt being changed. It's now every 4 years recommended not what states in the book. I went about service plan an they asked me said was only 5 years old (this was last July) said doesn't matter its now every 4 years they recommend cam belt doing :-(

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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

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"No the evo engine not the eco punto (evo fire engine has screw oil cap older safe fire engines were rubber bung)"

This was taken from https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto/358596-2006-punto-1-4-8-valve.html and Andy Monty was person who said it (knows what he is talking about).

So maybe all gp's are interference (look at oil cap) but I got my belt done when got car with water pump (1.4 8v 2009)

Puntofan01: not sure if you are aware but fiat updated their interval for the cam belt being changed. It's now every 4 years recommended not what states in the book. I went about service plan an they asked me said was only 5 years old (this was last July) said doesn't matter its now every 4 years they recommend cam belt doing :-(

Hope this helps
Mine is 7 years old with 52k on the clock. I didn't know Fiat had changed the cambelt intervals, but I got it changed when it went for its mot and full service in march as a precaution, lol!
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

Both cam an auxiliary belt 4 years noe still not done my auxiliary belt due to if goes can easily be changed and no damage far as I'm aware :-)
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

What mileage is the cambelt meant to be done at now then?
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Re: "Seized" engine on Fiat Punto 1.2

Just to confuse the issue further, my Panda engine is 60hp, screw oil cap, non-interference. The oil cap went screw type with Euro4 emissions I think. Then the later 69hp also had screw cap.

Engine "seized" could be bent valves. If valve clearances can be checked bent ones will be way too big. If cambelt is removed, then the crank placed mid position, so all pistons are halfway up the bores, (straightened coat hanger down the plughole can help find top bottom and middle of the piston stroke), the cam can be rotated separately to check clearances and to test if cam rotates freely. All without removing the head.

If an interference engine, may not have timing marks, so would need the tools to align properly afterwards. (I've got some, but I don't know if I'm close to the OP!)
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