Must admit i do like that page

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....304251772923967.97412.265831270099351&type=1

And this made my evening I would happily volunteer my time to Humberside police to point out the ones with illegal HID's

https://www.facebook.com/IncidentsOnTeesside/posts/793211097361363

kyle96 said:

Main problem I can see is just what terrible timing it was, she stopped the car, I thought nothing of it, I jumped back in to the passenger seat still thinking nothing of it, the car was parked. But he had seen everything, and he saw me in the passenger seat, with her in the front, hands on the wheel, car turned on...
stuff like this happens I suppose. All part of owning a car maybe, that's my view on it anyway
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I wasn't covering up anything! Was being honest with him, I suppose he went off what he saw though, not my fauly really not much I could have done. And nope, id take the money off her in a breath if I had any chance of getting it haha.

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And the comment on FB "Wow majority of people on this page are pure stuck up ******s, I've done nothing wrong and it wasn't my fault"

:bang:

As I said at the beginning, no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. It's always someone else's fault. Well guess what, this time it's yours.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and treat it as a learning experience. Just be grateful nobody got hurt - this time.

What you are saying happened doesnt make much sense?

S165 RTA gives the power to seize vehicles being driven without valid insurance to prevent them being driven.

If your story is true then the fact you were back with the car and correctly insured yourself means it didnt need to be seized.

However you clearly havent made a complaint of TWOC so you and your friend should have been reported for no insurance/ permit no insurance, which carries a much higher penalty than £50.

DannyS2810 said:

Wait if this was on mcdonalds car park isn't that private mcdonalds property where an unlicensed, uninsured person can drive legally (with a licensed person in the car of course). But can the police legally fine him with it being on a car park?

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No to your first question and yes to the second.

Personally I'm with scout500 on this.

OP had a choice, get her done for TWOC or get done himself, I know I wouldn't have chosen the latter myself.

Andy Monty said:

Or hit you walking across the car park?

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And more importantly then sent your big mac flying!

Interesting to know. I always thought it was legal. Saying that though I'd never let anyone else touch my pride and joy anyway. It kills me to let my girlfriend drive it and she's insured lol

just searched the prizes you could have won..

My friend borrowed my car and said he was insured to use it under his own Policy. I have now found out that his Policy did not cover him for other vehicles. Can I be prosecuted?
Yes. If you lend your vehicle to anybody, you should only do so on the basis that you have checked the insurance position. Many people think that because they have fully comprehensive insurance they are insured on other vehicles. This is rarely correct. You can be prosecuted for permitting another person to use your vehicle without insurance and face 6–8 penalty points and a fine up to £5,000.

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Which i assume you have only passed your test in the past 2 years? = Full resit of driving test and due to a ban i really wouldn't want to guess what it would cost to be insured with declared points / a ban behind you..


And for your friend assuming she has a licence..

What is the Minimum/Maximum Penalty for Driving without Insurance?
6–8 penalty points plus a fine, although in certain circumstances, an instant driving ban will be imposed. The fine, which is means tested, can be up to £5,000.

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So a couple of hundred quid and a bit of hassle it might have been but i bet you wont ever do it again...

If it was me i would go cap in hand to the police station where the officer who dealt with you is based from, with a big tin of roses and thank them for their discretion and leniency sounds like Sgt Dickhead needs a name change to "Very Very Nice Sargent" As you could have been looking at a LOT more trouble than you actually got..




And its a good warning to others who have delinquent friends to take the keys with you when you leave your car...

ben said:

Sorry, wtf. He's a dickhead for leaving his friend sitting in the car whilst he goes McDonald's?? !

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Absolutely. I never eat at McDonald's.

Besides that, he shouldn't have left his friend sitting in the car either.

Andy is correct, in my experience you would be looking at 6 points and around £500 fine, on top of the recovery charge etc.

You were VERY lucky the officer used a bit of discretion, most cops wouldnt let you off so easily.

Ref the earlier point about it being on the public highway or not.

The car must at some point have been driven on the public highway. (Sorry if this has been covered and confirmed earlier in the thread)

The picture looks like it shows it being recovered from Morrison's car park at Teesside Retail Park. The MacDonalds is out of shot to the right of the Toys R Us store you can see.

So at some point must have been driven on the connecting public highway (all be it a very short journey on it).

So I'm curious who drove it to there the OP or the 'friend'.

BTW somebody that did that to me would not be my friend for very much longer.

MJG said:

Ref the earlier point about it being on the public highway or not.

The car must at some point have been driven on the public highway. (Sorry if this has been covered and confirmed earlier in the thread)

The picture looks like it shows it being recovered from Morrison's car park at Teesside Retail Park. The MacDonalds is out of shot to the right of the Toys R Us store you can see.

So at some point must have been driven on the connecting public highway (all be it a very short journey on it).

So I'm curious who drove it to there the OP or the 'friend'.

BTW somebody that did that to me would not be my friend for very much longer.

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As Said before the public highway is anywhere the public have free access. A fast food carpark is open to the public so considered a public highway.

scout500 said:

As Said before the public highway is anywhere the public have free access. A fast food carpark is open to the public so considered a public highway.

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Interesting.

Googling around brought this up. So people may not be OK driving where they think they may be.-

http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/motoring/500555.html

What baffles me is why op
as done all this and then made it all public on tinterweb.


he shouid just take it on the chin and learn from it,




You've put your hand in a wasp hive and you will just make it worse.


police read forums and failbook,




a car isn't a toy its a loaded gun in the wrong hands.

Cadabena said:

Whilst I'm not going to comment on the actions of your friend or yourself (I think enough other people have already), I am going to say that I think it's absolutely disgusting for a picture of your car to be uploaded to such a huge page as Incidents on Teesside to be ridiculed. Of course, they will want to deter this kind of thing from happening, but in doing so they have made you and your car (a fairly recognisable one I might add) personal targets for scum to go for. I really really hope your car doesn't get messed with, or you get abused on the road, as a result of this.

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Indeed i've had a lot of stick because of that page, after lots of requests for them to tell the real story or just take it down they wouldn't, they care more about the likes, yet again they have posted AGAIN saying I have no insurance, I actually have buisness insurance!

Andy Monty said:

Must admit i do like that page

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....304251772923967.97412.265831270099351&type=1

And this made my evening I would happily volunteer my time to Humberside police to point out the ones with illegal HID's

https://www.facebook.com/IncidentsOnTeesside/posts/793211097361363

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Yes that place was full of hid's, I cant stand them myself

scout500 said:

As I said at the beginning, no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. It's always someone else's fault. Well guess what, this time it's yours.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and treat it as a learning experience. Just be grateful nobody got hurt - this time.

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I have been honest and this wasnt my fauly this isnt just a case of 'it wasnt me it wasnt me'

middo85 said:

Andy is correct, in my experience you would be looking at 6 points and around £500 fine, on top of the recovery charge etc.

You were VERY lucky the officer used a bit of discretion, most cops wouldnt let you off so easily.

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True, although I still think what was done was ott

MJG said:

Ref the earlier point about it being on the public highway or not.

The car must at some point have been driven on the public highway. (Sorry if this has been covered and confirmed earlier in the thread)

The picture looks like it shows it being recovered from Morrison's car park at Teesside Retail Park. The MacDonalds is out of shot to the right of the Toys R Us store you can see.

So at some point must have been driven on the connecting public highway (all be it a very short journey on it).

So I'm curious who drove it to there the OP or the 'friend'.

BTW somebody that did that to me would not be my friend for very much longer.

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It happened in mcdonalds car park, he came over and said follow me to where they had a road block checking for unroad worthy cars, after everything got documented they parked it in morrisons car park for the truck to tow it away.

oldhammer said:

What baffles me is why op
as done all this and then made it all public on tinterweb.


he shouid just take it on the chin and learn from it,




You've put your hand in a wasp hive and you will just make it worse.


police read forums and failbook,




a car isn't a toy its a loaded gun in the wrong hands.

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Because the interweb is full of wrong information about me and my car and I'm trying to recover from some part of the humiliation this has all caused me, driving my car for the first time after getting back was more embarrasing that being proud of it, the thought of people looking at it and thinking 'uninsured pile of junk'

iwasnt throwing stones at you mate,
far from it,


but ive read that failbook page,and it looks like your adding more coal to the fire,


its obvious your car is insured or you wouidnt of got it back,


its your choice but believe me police don't leave you alone once you've rattled there cage,


close the book in the right way they is reading .

YOU walked away from it
YOU left the keys in it
YOU accepted that she was in the drivers seat with the keys in car so in control of the vehicle.
At which point did it not become your fault

scout500 said:

YOU walked away from it
YOU left the keys in it
YOU accepted that she was in the drivers seat with the keys in car so in control of the vehicle.
At which point did it not become your fault

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At the point he left the car she was in the passenger seat and I wouldn't say it was reasonable for him to foresee her actions. It is the sort of thing we've probably all done but we haven't had either such a stupid passenger or the miss-fortune that the police were watching.

scout500 said:

YOU walked away from it
YOU left the keys in it
YOU accepted that she was in the drivers seat with the keys in car so in control of the vehicle.
At which point did it not become your fault

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Don't get me wrong I agree with what you are saying but it is very easy to take the moral high ground when you are not actually involved in the situation.

I just think the guy made a silly mistake and was oblivious to the consequence of his actions and the actions of others, I mean this is the guys first car and he is only young being 17 iirc, I am not saying that because it is his first car and his young age excuses what has happened but when we are young we all do things we regret I am just pleased no one was hurt and no ones property was damaged and the only thing really battered and bruised is the OP's wallet and ego at this moment I am sure.

I really think this has gone far enough now on here and on facebook.

Regards
Stephen

I have sympathy with what happened, what I can't forgive is this lack of taking responsibility. This is the problem with this country, nobody is willing to take responsibility for their actions, it always got to be someone else's fault. This time it was yours OP.

If the OP had come on and said I screwed up and this happened he would have had some stick but not this much. Instead he first blamed the Police Sargent and then the girl (she is also partially to blame) at no point did he admit it was his fault (which it is ultimately) even his last post was denial. Whatever he 'thinks', and I use that word advisedly, in the eyes of the law, and most people on here and on faceache he is the one that is responsible.

scout500 said:

he is the one that is responsible.

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I too have some sympathy, but this is not the first time he has posted with driving issues, and it was "not his fault" last time either. Last time he was given lots of advice, from people who do not know him, trying to keep him alive and well, but this advice was apparently rejected. Very disappointing. It would be great to see a post along the lines of "thanks for the advice, advanced driving going well, really learning a lot and enjoying driving more..". We live in hope.